Oath Challenge in Love

Oath Challenge in Love

++Kirk Carmichael

1++The Greatest Love Story of All Time or DrDave’s theology

**I ought to feel flattered that you see little ole me as the 1 to beat.

2++The TOPIC of examination: “HE SWORE AN OATH TO HIMSELF”. Genesis 12:1-3 (DrDave’s “theology”) vs Genesis 22:1-18 (The Greatest Love Story of All Time) –YOU decide.

**Flash – This just in – Genesis 22 couldn’t happen without Genesis 12

For anybody who is aware of, or not yet aware yet, there is a “heated” (I guess you could say) debate begun a couple of weeks ago on Torah to the Tribes facebook group page primarily between a man named DrDave and myself. The reason for this introductory paragraph of the battle line being drawn is just so everybody is well aware of the situation. As a matter of fact as well, Matthew Nolan has received partial revelation of a distinction between Book of the Covenant vs Book of the Law and has run with DrDave’s theology. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching from the revelation given you. This is the way the Father works. After all, haven’t we all grown in our wisdom over the years? I hope so. That simply means there is more truth to be found. This is where my story begins.
I received this same KEY of finding a distinction of Book of the Law vs Book of the Covenant from DrDave approx. 4 years ago. Dave was a faithful servant of YHWH by sharing with me at a Brad Scott teaching, a Melchizedek Priesthood issue, in the middle of the desert on a hot outdoors teaching in 100 degree weather near Apple Valley, CA. I proceeded to invite Dave teach our group at our house and paid for his way to spend his valuable time with us.
In the proceeding several months I was absolutely lit on fire with this fresh revelation, much like many of you probably are and where Torah to the Tribes is right now on the path they are paving. Praise Yah! Little did I know at the time it was only a stepping stone. I must say looking back, it was the most valuable stepping stone on this road of discovery for us (or anybody for that matter) because without Dave being used by the Father of sharing what he was shown we would have never been able to breakthrough this deeply disturbing middle ground in our faith many of us were in, and where the majority of our brothers and sisters are still in.

**Thankyou for that much

4++We had shunned pagan modern day Christianity and the grace stronghold resulting in the inherent removal of instructions (you could say “Torah” if you like), but then found a missing spiritual component from the Torah or Hebrew Roots movement (whatever you might call it) that is so heavily unbalanced on “Torah” with the BLOOD OF THE LAMB by default taking a backseat. Does anybody else testify with this middle ground spiritual dilemma? Well, the result is a “Torah” inherent belief meaning “First Five Books of Moses” carrying the wrong focus of our faith being on “First Five Books of Moses” and subtly off (even subconsciously) walking by FAITH in a covenant relationship… and, most importantly, knowing what that even means. You see, we don’t forsake one (FAITH) to follow the other (INSTRUCTIONS). There is a perfect balance that must be found, and CAN ONLY BE FOUND I MUST SAY, in this detailed revelation we have received – BLOOD COVENANT.

** Funny; you say ‘BLOOD COVENANT’ but then you don’t list the ‘BLOOD COVENANT’s’ for if you did it would ID ‘the covenants of promise’ (Eph.2:12) a COVENANT class you just gloss over.

COLOSSIANS 1:19-23 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace THROUGH THE BLOOD OF HIS CROSS/STAKE. And you, who once were ALIENATED AND ENEMIES in your mind by WICKED WORKS, yet now He has RECONCILED IN THE BODY OF HIS FLESH THROUGH DEATH, TO PRESENT YOU holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— IF INDEED YOU CONTINUE IN THE FAITH, GROUNDED AND STEADFAST, and are NOT MOVED AWAY from THE HOPE OF THE GOOD NEWS which you heard, which was PREACHED TO EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
Brothers and sisters, this is BLOOD COVENANT LANGUAGE at it its most intense level. Now, put on the goggles of “grace” and read these verses as “Jesus did everything for me” and read.

**Funny; you claim to be called, you claim to follow COVENANT, you assume to teach COVENANT, Yet you insist to use a name that can’t possibly be COVENANT let alone Bible from the 1st & simple fact that there are no ‘J’s’ in either Hebrew or Greek ever and even in English till the 1600’s

6++Now read the verses from “Torah” goggles that “you gotta follow all these instructions (Torah)” with NO EMPHASIS on HIS BLOOD and YOUR FAITH IN HIS WORK ON THE CROSS/STAKE.
An ancient BLOOD COVENANT is a walking through two split animals of FLESH and agreeing to KEEP the agreement of the covenant you just consecrated. This deeply, deeply embedded plan INCORPORATES BOTH the BODY OF FLESH broken for you and me, but THEN there is an all-binding requirement of WALKING IN THAT AGREEMENT. I can not elaborate on this right now as I must get back to the topic at hand.
In this current topic we will now look at the foundation of DrDave’s “theology” and Matthew Nolan’s current understanding. I have all the grace/mercy with Matthew and the souls who have been brought to this earth shattering “STEPPING STONE” of Book of the Covenant vs Book of the Law because this too was we were we were at in our journey. I can not emphasize this enough. I love Dave with all my heart as well and we (two other brothers who will testify with me) in our excitement in our incremental discovery process shared with Dave our deeper findings which he not only has turned a stone heart toward the information, but admittedly has become our bitter enemy.

** “bitter enemy” is your phrase you confess to and now ascribe to me – Yes I do believe you to be in abject error both in your Covenant theology and your threating smear campaign to promote it – while not being forthright of all your theological leanings – Ergo this exercise.

7++You will be able to discern that for yourself in his writings. Please know, our hand of fellowship is always open to him.
However, TRUTH, must go marching on which I lay my life down to continue on. I died to myself upon my entry into blood covenant in 1999 and I am so thankful the Father has protected me from “taking the bite” so-to-speak of beginning a “ministry” or writing books, website articles, interviews, etc BEFORE we had the full revelation.

**Your ‘revelation’ is anything But ‘full’ or completely accurate!

8++We then would have the ultimate challenge to reverse certain positions we have taken, lose a following, or the worst “admit we were wrong” in certain beliefs. If this were a poker game I would put all my chips in the middle that Matthew Nolan has the ability to reverse his position, and would reserve none for DrDave because his reputation is “on the line” so-to-speak.

**My ‘reputation’ means nothing and it hardly “on the line” – It’s ALL about Yah’s Word that means everything. It is you that feels this great need to push your error message and have entitled yourself to whatever means necessary including smear & threats labeling it “in Love”

9++Folks, this revelation is way too complex and detailed as it wasn’t meant, nor designed in our set apart priesthood, for one man to dig all the information out ourselves. Ken, Jason, and RO RI, you guys can testify to this journey with me for sure. In fact, I have termed this a LIVING ORGANISM rather than a THEOLOGY. It just takes a lot of study with us to get you up to speed. Anyways, let’s move on.
My point as I end this TESTIMONY section: Theology has consequential errant conclusions if it is not anchored in the right foundation. This should be evident as we move into the TOPIC.

**You do as so many others; you say an absolute truth – “Theology has consequential errant conclusions if it is not anchored in the right foundation” then you proceed on error ‘rabbit trails’

10++2) TOPIC: “HE SWORE AN OATH TO HIMSELF”. Genesis 12:1-3 (DrDave’s “theology”) vs Genesis 22:1-18 (The Greatest Love Story of All Time) –YOU decide.
Just so I get everything out in the open, I sent Torah to the Tribes an email two days ago critiquing the issues he is repeated from DrDave’s theology on this past Saturday’s teaching. DrDave got a hold of that email as well and has posted a section on his group page. So, the battle rages as DrDave is digging his finger nails in with all his might and he stands in the way of this massive revelation setting souls around the globe free.

**What you call ‘massive revelation’ is a massive exercise of twist, errors, truisms, half truths and even a few lies mixed with Truth.

11++We are about to test this now on only this one issue. I am picking this one topic to write of right now and may in the future right articles addressing the other five topics mentioned in the email (and a sixth I forgot to mention), until that is, we can effectively communicate the extensive detail in online teachings.
The SIX TOPICS, five of which briefly addressed in an email:
1) GENESIS 12 “the oath Yahweh swore to Himself” – our topic of this study
2) The “Royal Torah” of Melchizedek Priesthood
3) The Book of the Covenant was NEVER enacted
4) THE LAW OF MOSES is THE SECOND SET OF STONE TABLETS. The word Torah is NEVER meaning FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF MOSES when scripturally defined, yet it remains a staple in DrDave’s “theology”
5) Book of the Law was NOT given as result of SIN OF GOLDEN CALF but was ONE of THREE Covenant breaches and COVENANT addendums
6) (ISSUE FORGOT IN MY EMAIL) Exodus 24:12 is the “cookie cutter” dividing line in DrDave’s theology which is believed to be the “rightly dividing of ‘Torah’” of FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF MOSES (which as previously mentioned doesn’t exist from a scriptural definition). DrDave uses Exodus 24:12 as being the Book of the Law as he uses the word “law” in that verse to prove his point, YET the Golden Calf sequentially occurred 40 days later as they hadn’t even committed adultery yet (way more to this story, which is so awesome to share in my upcoming study).

**1) GENESIS 12 “the oath Yahweh swore to Himself” – is defined by Heb.6:13-14 and the law of 1st mention at GENESIS 12.1-3
2) The “Royal Torah” of Melchizedek Priesthood – Again is Matthew’s term but I do agree
3) The Book of the Covenant was NEVER enacted – The 70 elders would have been killed if it weren’t
4) THE LAW OF MOSES is THE SECOND SET OF STONE TABLETS. The word Torah is NEVER meaning FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF MOSES when scripturally defined, yet it remains a staple in DrDave’s “theology” – THE LAW OF MOSES is a generic term

John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the *law of Moses* should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Circumcision can only speak of 2 places Gen.17:10-11 & Jos.5:2 – Both are outside your handy parameters of the *law of Moses*

Torah is NEVER … – is your absolute statement fairytale of trying to dismantle even the normative – discern T in TaNaK and understand what ‘penta’ (5) in Pentateuch means from the definition of Torah

5) Book of the Law was NOT given as result of SIN OF GOLDEN CALF but was ONE of THREE Covenant breaches and COVENANT addendums – Wrong! It is an ‘addendum’ to the Book of the Covenant – See and understand Gal.3:10; 17-19

6) Exodus 24:12 is the “cookie cutter” dividing line in DrDave’s theology which is believed to be the “rightly dividing of ‘Torah’” of FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF MOSES … – Exodus 24:12 is the conception go back default point of an Israel that had just broke the (Blood) Covenant at Exodus 32 – v:10 includes Aaron and his sons that also had lost the Melkzdq standing. The law of Exodus 24:12 could be changed (by Yah) for it was Not Blood Ratified.

12++TOPIC: GENESIS 12 “the oath Yahweh swore to Himself” is the absolute FOUNDATION which DrDave build his entire theory. If this single point falls, so does the rest of his conclusions.
Here is the simplistic view, of a grossly oversimplified covenant plan of our Father, of DrDave’s theology:
Yahweh swore the oath to Himself in Genesis 12:1-3 and because of this His word will never fail by the taking of this Oath, He then proceeded to take the death penalty position in Genesis 15:8-21 (this is very true), blood covenant we label as #2.

** Let’s be clear; for this is misleading – You start off your handy 123 Covenant list with Noah’s Rainbow that is Not Blood Ratified to Everyone and Everything Not just Humans, Hebrews or Israelites – and completely pass-over GENESIS 12 that doesn’t make it to your list – Truth anyone? Yah promised/oathed ‘to’ bless Abraham at GENESIS 12 before Yah entered into Covenant ‘with’ Abraham at GENESIS 15 at Abraham’s request (GENESIS 15:8)

13++The theory then establishes this guaranteed issue that Abram is going to receive everything which Yahweh “swore to Himself” and since in his theology ‘Torah’ means ‘First five books of Moses’, in Exodus 24:12 he finds the word “Law” and determines this is the beginning of the Book of the Law which divides “The Torah” into “rightly dividing”. There are so many problems with what I have just mentioned, including Exodus 24:12 occurring 40 days BEFORE the Golden Calf AND that the Book of the Law is actually The Book of Deuteronomy, given as a temporary COVENANT as a direct result of the 40 years following the 40 year punishment given the first generation for THE SIN OF THE TEN SPIES BAD REPORT (see teaching at the 1:17, one hour and seventeen minute mark, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ev9yUbuho).

** There are so many problems with what you have just neglected to mentioned – And why have you focused on me – how ’bout Rico Cortes, Brad Scott, Michael Rood, Bill Cloud, Ed Chumney, Nehemia Gordon and All of the Jewish world, etc. But the great you knows better??? – See 11

14+Now, on paper this seems like “what is the big deal”, right? And, so what maybe this is true and maybe it is not. Thoughts may be popping up as to “you are really splitting hairs on this issue”. Absolutely not! The ongoing details I am about to share is the reason WHY we are having such a difficult time giving a short lesson on our findings because this revelation combines thousands of tiny details or puzzle pieces and many moving parts. In simplest explanation, we have mapped all the tiny details on our timeline and read the scriptures as if it is AN UNFOLDING STORY! Imagine that? THE MOST AMAZING LOVE STORY OF ALL TIME! Seems simple right? No, because we don’t find that being done in any teaching circle because of this “grace” or “torah” stronghold and the missing connecting pivot points of these EIGHT COVENANTS (nine including Adam) of RESTORATION of man to Himself.

**Even as you insist EIGHT COVENANTS (nine including Adam); you still miss the Most Important 2 – The Oath of Gen.12 and the Marriage of Rev.19 – In the *Blood* ‘Covenants of Promise’ class you consistently & defiantly refuse to acknowledge or validate.

15++I pray I am not losing you right now, so let’s get back to the topic and WHY this is a critical juncture of examining DrDave’s theology.
Let us examine the proof text mentioned in the middle of our Melchizedek scriptures of Hebrews chapter 5-8 of swearing the OATH.
HEBREWS 6:13-15 For when Elohiym made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, HE SWORE BY HIMSELF, saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.” And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
So, on the surface, we could easily draw a “law of first mention” line to Genesis 12:1-3 and slam dunk, we establish our fact. Now, let’s quickly compare this OATH mentioned in Hebrews 6:13 with DrDave’s theory and what we have found to be true.
Genesis 12:1 Now YHWH HAD SAID to Abram: “Get out of your country, from your family and from your father’s house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Do you see how these verses are similar to Hebrews 6:13? And, it is the first time mentioned in scripture. Here is the primary words:
*** Now YHWH has “SAID” ***
Here is what we have found is this OATH:
GENESIS 22:16-18 and said, ‘I SWEAR BY MYSELF, declares YHWH, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, BECAUSE YOU HAVE OBEYED ME.’
I have a lot more developing the REASON this is absolutely the OATH spoken of by YHWH but for right now I petition you to examine the sheer straight forward language.
In Genesis 12:1 the verse states: Now YHWH has SAID
In Genesis 22:16 the verse states: “I SWEAR BY MYSELF” Which one, without any biases, do you see matches Hebrews 6:13 verbatim? Obviously, Genesis 22:16 right?

**Gen 22:17-18 matches Gen 12:1-3 – Gen.12 is the indisputable origin of this whole Abram/Abraham epic – there is no / or reason for Gen 22 without Gen.12 – there is no / or reason for Gen.15, Ex.12, Ex.19, Jer.31, The NC, or Rev.19 without Gen.12 –Are you truly not seeing this? (Mt 13:15)

Gen 12:1 ‘said’ – 0559. rma ‘amar, aw-mar’ – a primitive root; to say (used with great latitude):–answer, appoint, *avouch*, *bid*, boast self, call, *certify*, challenge, *charge*, + (at the, give) command(-ment), commune, consider, *declare*, demand, X desire, determine, X expressly, X indeed, X intend, name, X plainly, *promise* [includes ‘oath’ {added}], publish, report, require, say, speak (against, of), X still, X suppose, talk, tell, term, X that is, X think, use (speech), utter, X verily, X yet.

Follow the evidence – Gen 12:1 is the *promise* [includes ‘oath’] – Gen.15 is the guarantee of the *promise* already given at Gen 12:1 without the guarantee Abram/Abraham requested at Gen.15:8

16++Before we move on, PLEASE glance real quick to the final words of the verses posted BECAUSE YOU HAVE OBEYED ME.

** Has to do most originally with Gen.12; if Abram/Abraham would not HAVE OBEYED at Gen.12 there is no / or reason for Gen 22. Are you truly not seeing this also? (Mt 13:15/Prv.25:2)

17++Well, I feel compelled to state something extremely important again… we have spent now FOUR YEARS mapping out major events of scripture and PARKING on those EIGHT COVENANTS following the fall of Adam and pulling out the terms and conditions. I am going to take a small segment of our chronological findings and I will explain to you WHY Genesis 22:16 is indeed the OATH YHWH swore to Himself, so you can get a glimpse into THE GREATEST LOVE STORY OF ALL TIME, and see the COVENANT aspect of — COVENANT!

** ‘we have spent now FOUR YEARS’ – Time will never make a lie a truth – See 11, 12, 14, 15 – I’ve invested over 17 YEARS and I’m still learning – enough to see thru your impassioned hype

18++A covenant requires two parties walking together in union, by it’s very definition. This is why DrDave’s stronghold of incorporating his “Torah” belief from any possible way of seeing the function of COVENANTAL RELATIONSHIP.

** Kirk now really look at this statement – It does Not make sense!

19++Now, I share with you when teaching this live to a group here in San Diego as I poured through the chronological events in preparation for my studies, we spent OVER A YEAR on Friday night studies between Genesis 12 and Genesis 22. That’s how many details and connecting dots there are. This is why my heart is so burdened with this gross oversimplification of this majestic plan of our Father.

** gross oversimplification ??? As opposed to what? You mean your gross over difficul-ification is more like it – You take this and make it convoluted and complicated by your own admissions – “Folks, this revelation is way too complex and detailed …” See 9

20++You are in a covenant with Messiah right? Is everything “GUARANTEED” to you right now despite if you are unfaithful, worship other gods, trample on His blood, have no faith in Him, and live a sinful life? Do you see the problems with errant theology?

**Do you see the problems with ‘your’ errant theology? And what is worse your refuse to see it.

21++Putting Genesis 12:1-3 as the OATH which YHWH swore unto Himself draws this conclusion that EVERYTHING WAS GUARANTEED TO ABRAM at this point.

**I’ll let the Bible answer this by Moses in Torah – Num 23:19 – See 15, 16

22++Hmmm… let’s now look at the father of faith’s life… our example to walk after.
First, let’s examine the word “SAID” as YHWH “SAID” in Genesis 12:1. “SAID” is mentioned 4002 times in 3605 verses, as opposed to just one time in Genesis 22:16 that YWHH swore an OATH to Himself. Does this mean every time the word “SAID” is mentioned YHWH, or anybody for that matter that “SAID” something, was swearing an OATH to Himself? We know our words will hold us accountable, but to think everything that is ever “SAID” is a COVENANT (OATH HERE BECAUSE YHWH and HIS SON made the COVENANT with Abram — will explain later) defies the fundamental makeup of a COVENANT and completely eliminates the binding fabric of an agreement made between two parties. The way this was established by YHWH was walking through PIECES OF FLESH (BLOOD COVENANT) as established in Genesis 15:8-21 COVENANT BEFORE the Genesis 12:1-3 promises.

**1st off – Hmmm… “The way this was established by YHWH was walking through PIECES OF FLESH (BLOOD COVENANT) as established in Genesis 15:8-21 COVENANT BEFORE the Genesis 12:1-3 promises.” Genesis 15:8-21 BEFORE Genesis 12:1-3!!! Are you for real??? Does this make sense to anyone else?

2Nd You say “SAID” is mentioned 4002 times in 3605 verses – This is a debaters tactic called ‘card stacking’ – There is only 1 first time that Yah “SAID” to Abram/Abraham – Gen.12

23++This is the WILL or LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT of the Messiah… the one who would SWEAR AN OATH in Genesis 22:16 to make good on HIS COVENANT that HE MADE.

**Now Ask yourself; how could Yah make good on HIS COVENANT that HE *already* MADE if He didn’t swear to that 1 too? See 15, 16

24++For example of looking at the word “SAID” in Genesis 4:13:
And Cain “SAID” unto YHWH, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Was Cain making an OATH TO HIMSELF? Does this even make sense? Let’s move on…

See 22

25++Let’s now quote Hebrews 7:6
This man (SPEAKING OF MELCHIZEDEK), however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him WHO HAD THE PROMISES.
SUMMARY of Hebrews 7:6 : Melchizedek BLESSED Abraham who HAD THE PROMISES. What PROMISES? THE PROMISES were LAND and SEED which carried over from the Garden (another intense but crucial topic too great to continue with here).
Remember our KEY of revelation? CHRONOLOGICAL SEQUENCIAL EVENTS telling us THE GREATEST LOVE STORY OF ALL TIME. We all know how important the Melchizedek blessing was. This blessing of Melchizedek occurred many years AFTER YHWH called Abram out of the land of Ur of the Chaldees in Genesis 12 — the PROMISES. The blessing came between ONE and THIRTEEN YEARS AFTER (potentially longer if the book of Jasher is accurate). NOTICE AGAIN: Hebrews 7:6 states ABRAM CARRIED THE PROMISES… NOT the OATH HE SWORE UNTO HIMSELF.

**Your convolution is showing again – THE Covenant guaranteed PROMISES were Gen.15 that came after the OATH HE SWORE UNTO HIMSELF to bless Abraham at Gen.12 – In case you missed that Gen.22 cannot come before Gen.15. And what is more without Gen.12 & Gen.15 1st there is no Gen.22

26++Genesis 12:1-3 is the PROMISE to:
1) GIVE HIM A LAND (carried over from the Garden)
2) MAKE HIM A GREAT NATION (many descendants)
3) THROUGH HIM (OR IN HIM) ALL NATIONS WOULD BE BLESSED (carried over from the Garden)
If Genesis 12:1-3 is an OATH, it also completely destroys the COVENANT requirement to OBEY and WALK with his Creator.

**What world were you raised in? The Gen. 12:1-3 OATH is unconditional on all generations just because Abraham heard and heeded (accepted) Yahweh’s Proposal turned Oath. If you missed that; this just happens to be the factors of Covenant – there was no Cutting or Blood at Gen.12 allowing it to be unconditional that came at Gen.15 making it conditional.

27++Can you testify to this requirement in your heart?

** Yes that is Jer 17:9 “… deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: …”

28++Are you okay just to receive your promises of eternal life or becoming the Bride (another topic we can demonstrate how we must walk as He walked – 1 JOHN 2:6 — but let’s not get into this right now), with no action? Only misunderstanding the function of grace could we go against what the Spirit says is not true. Was Abram any different? No way… as we continue.
Between Genesis 12 and Genesis 14 Abram is having a hard time BELIEVING in the PROMISE. Do you testify? I mean this is a mighty promise

**Oh so now you admit Genesis 12 is ‘a mighty promise’ – do you understand it was made by an ‘oath’?

29++to behold and scary one to leave everything you know to receive it. Well, right off the bat Abram takes his family (his dad, his wife, his nephew Lot) instead of LEAVING EVERYTHING. It’s okay, YHWH is working with him. Remember, this is our story as well.
Next, between Genesis 12 and Genesis 14 Abram builds altars and stops in many locations.
He first builds an altar in Shechem (Genesis 12:6-7) and YWHH appeared to him and actually said this: “To your descendants I will give THIS LAND.” And there he built an altar to YHWH, who had appeared to him.”
So, why didn’t Abram just stay there? YHWH appeared to him and clearly showed him the PROMISE of LAND. Well, he still had Lot with him and kept moving to increase his possessions. Can you relate?
He then moved to Bethel and AI and build an altar to YHWH. No show from YHWH like He appears before in the spot he was supposed to stay in Shechem. Then Abram goes down into the South (the Negev) in Genesis 12:9-20 and a famine took him into Egypt. He lies about his wife that he tells her to say she is his sister (Genesis 12:12). YHWH plagues Pharoah so he didn’t take advances on his wife and he kicks Abram out of his land but Abram increased his possession. The Father is working all things together for His good, for those who are CALLED to His purpose (Romans 8:28).
Abram then stops at the same altar in Bethel and AI working his way back and again no show from YHWH. His possession grew so great with Lot (as Lot is STILL with him) that he gave Lot the choice of which land to choose (Genesis 13:8-9). Why didn’t Abram choose as remember he was TOLD which LAND would be his descendants? Lot choose the most appealing LAND, so by default Abram got to where he should have stayed to begin with. FINALLY Abram is separate from his family, as his dad died along the way as well. Do you see the Father working in his life to make good on his promises? Again, can you relate?
Now, Abram is given AGAIN the PROMISE of the LAND he was going to receive in Genesis 13:14-17 and this time he is told to WALK THE LAND as if to really take hold of the PROMISE. Touch it, feel it, envision it… YET, we see though he still hasn’t fully entered BELIEF yet… the story moves on (the GREATEST LOVE STORY OF ALL TIME!!!).

**And it all started with an un-guaranteed promise and oath (autonomous covenant) at Genesis 12

30++Enter the drama now as Abram is told that his nephew Lot is being persecuted in the immoral land which he chose. Abram goes and ACTS on Lot’s defense and the events trigger the most significant issue of all in his life so far… THE MAN MELCHIZEDEK (Noah’s son Shem) passes the ETERNAL PRIESTHOOD MANTLE to him in Genesis 14:18-20. Do you see now Abram is getting closer to BELIEVING but had to be really wondering how this was going to happen with no son of his own yet…born

** MELCHIZEDEK (Noah’s son Shem) thankyou for that much – but I have heard this Who-Haa before – there is no verbiage that indicts any MELCHIZEDEK transfer to Abraham who was not even Shem’s son let alone his 1s t born. – The Covenant actually cut with YHWH the Supreme Melek and Abraham at Gen.15 required the trade of personal items hence the name Abram to Abraham hence Gen.17, Scars hence Gen.17, a covenant meal hence Gen.18 and Gen.22, etc. AND the MELCHIZEDEK mantel to Abraham by YHWH Himself – This is a covenant of family.

31 ++ Now, comes the time to believe. He reflects of leaves his home land


32++, his dad dies, Lot went his own way and he has to rescue him, he has been told three times now by visitation and shown THE LAND he was going to receive which he walked; and NOW KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (Melchizedek) skips eight generations of his SEED carrying the mantle from the Garden to and blesses Abram with it. Something has to happen regarding these promises for sure now in his mind.

**Something has happened in your mind. – You are seeing things that are not there – “carrying the mantle from the Garden” (of Eden???) – where’s that chptr&verse oh self anointed teller of truth? And gave it to Abraham??? where’s that chptr&verse!!! Abraham was the 1 doing the giving Heb 7:4

33++In Genesis 15:1-6 YHWH takes him outside and uses the stars of the sky to BELIEVE in his promise AFTER he supposes that his servant Eliezer of Damascus would inherit the LAND. The MOST SIGNIFICANT SCRIPTURE as it relates to our ENTRY INTO BLOOD COVENANT NOW (BELIEVING IN THE PROMISED SEED – YAHUSHA/JESUS/THE MAN FROM NAZARETH).
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in YHWH, and He ACCOUNTED IT TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

** Now Read Genesis 15:8 – … How will I know … ? – Can you sign on the dotted line? That is 1 of some of the most crucial parts you’re missing – Abraham asked for a guarantee! Of the promises he already had from Gen.12 by Oath – that’s why the Covenant was cut ‘in blood’ – It was not the ‘promise’ it was the guarantee of the promise.

34++This comparison to us is of BELIEF to CONVERT A HEART is mentioned five times in Romans chapter 4 comparing OUR CONVERSION:
ROMANS 4:3-5 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed Elohiym, and it WAS ACCOUNTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Please follow my commentary a bit later in the chapter:
ROMANS 4:16-21 Therefore it is of faith (FAITH IN THE PROMISED SEED / ABRAHAM HIS SEED / US IN THE SEED MESSIAH) that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law (COVENANT #5 – LAW OF MOSES),

**Your so-called ‘COVENANT #5’ is Not a Covenant of Promise and as for your LAW OF MOSES designation

John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the *law of Moses* should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Circumcision can only speak of 2 places Gen.17:10-11 & Jos.5:2 – Both are outside your handy parameters of the *law of Moses*

35++but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) (HUGE REFERENCE HERE – COVENANT #3 with ABRAM – WILL ADDRESS AS WE CONTINUE) in the presence of Him whom he believed—Elohiym, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what WAS SPOKEN, “So shall your descendants be.” (NOTICE: THE GENESIS 12:1-3 PROMISE IS REPEATED as it says WHAT WAS SPOKEN — BY PROMISE) and not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. He did not waver at the promise of Elohiym through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to Elohiym, and being fully convinced that what HE HAD PROMISED (NOTICE: PROMISE, NOT OATH, PAUL IS WRITING IN CONTEXT COMPARING HIS BELIEF PROCESS WITH OURS) He was also able to perform. And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.” (SPEAKING OF GENESIS 15:6, AFTER GENESIS 12).

**what HE HAD PROMISED Gen.12:1 is tied to the OATH Gen.12:2-3 – See 33

36++Now, these verses of Romans in CONTEXT is speaking of Abram’s BELIEF from HIS HEART in the PROMISE in the same way when we may have done that “sinner’s prayer” or however else the Father revealed His Son to us. Can you relate? Do you see how BELIEVING IN THE PROMISE this was OUTSIDE our own efforts by RECEIVING HIS SPIRIT and become BORN FROM ABOVE? At this point in the story with Abram we have a guy doing his best to BELIEVE and he failed often in his own human efforts. And, even so with his own efforts, he remained unbelieving in his actions even AFTER believing and AFTER the death penalty BLOOD COVENANT (Covenant we label as #2) as he even participated and cut the animals in two himself. This is important aspect of what sanctification means and the work our greater covenant partner does in us as long as we begin walking with Him.
Abram immediately followed his belief in Genesis 15:6 with the question to verse 7 guarantee that he would inherit the LAND.
GENESIS 15:8 And he said, “Master Elohiym, how shall I know that I WILL INHERIT?”
This question of doubt is followed by the most significant BLOOD COVENANT ever made in the history of the world in Genesis 15:8-21.

** See you just blow by this ‘question of doubt’ -Really? Are you serious? It was more than a ‘question of doubt’ he was asking for proof! – then the Blood Covenant Procedure – Imagine That?

37++This now gets into an area we could go on for a long time to examine the COVENANT, which the FATHER AND SON went through the two broken pieces (Genesis 15:17) made on behalf of Abraham. Yes, it was a “death penalty position” as DrDave also believes as well but there is so much more going on here.

**Yeah that you missed right off the top – See 36

38++ The pre-incarnate SON (the BURNING TORCH) took Abram’s position and future descendants. Abram, AT THIS POINT, himself is still not obligated by BLOOD COVENANT HIMSELF. This is monumental to understand in the examination of THIS COVENANT here of Genesis 15:8-21.

**What is ‘monumental to understand’ is that this covenant is still between YHWH and Abraham – Yahshua was Abraham’s (& descendants) proxy/substitute as if Abraham did so himself – this allowed Yahshua to be the go`el kinsmen redeemer for all parties involved with this covenant. Hence the Cross. You seem to have missed this point too – See 36

39++We read in Genesis 16 the Hagar event as further proof Abram, or his wife, is NOT required to WALK YET with the Father in full belief and full obedience. This should be very evident to you in this Genesis 16 account.
Now, finally Abram there was a time where he was REQUIRED TO ENTER BLOOD COVENANT. This right here brothers and sisters is a GIANT PIECE of the PUZZLE (along with many others) DrDave completely skips this BLOOD COVENANT which Abram now wilfully enters himself because as it doesn’t FIT in his “theology”. We label Genesis 17 as COVENANT #3.
The blood covenantal agreement begins:
GENESIS 17:1-2 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, YHWH appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am El Shaddai; WALK before Me and BE BLAMELESS. And I will MAKE (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WORD HERE) My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”
What covenant will YHWH establish? The one made thirteen to twenty-four years earlier. Terms and conditions are NOW ADDED including changing his name to Abraham as he would be a father of many nations (this is where WE COME IN as the nations) as we quoted Romans 4 above. Do you see the problem in skipping this agreement?

**See Gen.17:10-11 Circumcision is a ‘token/sign’ is not a covenant unto itself – Let alone being a Blood Covenant – It will however leave the proof of a scar the consequential blood of doing so does not ratify anything – nor is there the command or instruction to do so – See 30

40++There are too many more elements going on here but the POINT:
ABRAHAM AT THIS POINT IS REQUIRED TO WALK BLAMELESS (not before because he now willfully chose to enter and is now at this point bound by BLOOD COVENANT)

** This is again convoluted reasoning – The BLOOD COVENANT ABRAHAM entered was at Gen.15 – See 38 – Circumcision is a ‘token/sign’ is not a covenant unto itself – See 30, 39

41++We parallel this incredibly important element of walking blameless in our BLOOD COVENANT as we are to “move on to the teachings regarding righteousness” (Hebrews 5:14) and move PAST the elementary teachings (Hebrews 6:1-3). To draw a close to this article and hit on the OATH of Genesis 22:16, this is WHY we read Genesis 26:5 because it was only AT THIS POINT Abraham OBEYED YHWH as we do not read any more of any errors in his walk as read as we have gone through detailed before Genesis 17.

**No wonder this is confusing to everyone – You start half way down the pike and call that the beginning. Gen 22:17-18 matches Gen 12:1-3 – Gen.12 is the indisputable origin of this whole Abram/Abraham epic – there is no / or reason for Gen 22 without Gen.12 – there is no / or reason for Gen.15, Ex.12, Ex.19, Jer.31, The NC, or Rev.19 without Gen.12 –Are you truly not seeing this? (Mt 13:15) – See 15

42++GENESIS 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” The TORAH world butchers the interpretation of this verse. They put “TORAH” in this verse to try to enforce what they think is “TORAH” and completely whitewash what was REALLY happening in THE GREATEST LOVE STORY OF ALL TIME.

**I find myself having to partially agree with the assessment – The TORAH world does butcher the interpretation of this and other Law/Torah verses in that they see Torah as indivisible and do not discern the Mlkzdq (Royal) portion from the Levitical (because of transgression) portion of Torah – And what you seem to also miss is the fact of your compartmentalizing of all the various under the Levitical headings does nothing to further the Melkizedeq standing or position.

43++This verse DOES NOT support Sabbath, Feast days, Ten Commandments, “all the laws of the bible”, etc (which for COVENANT reasons in the future YHWH enters with Abraham’s descendants through Moses) like so many Torah people THINK.

**The days we live today are much like those in Abraham’s day – it was all Mlkzdq no Levitical to wrench a position that “This verse DOES NOT support Sabbath, Feast days, Ten Commandments” is just plain ignorant in the same kind of Sunday School mentality that also ignores Torah/Genesis evidence for the same reason 1] Sabbath Gen.2:3, 2] Feast days Gen.1:14, 3] Ten Commandments peppered all thru the Genesis/Creation/Fall into sin account – And Ex.20:8 that says ‘Remember’ What? Gen.2:3 for starters. It unwisely calls in to question Yahweh Himself; for there is no sin where there is no law (Rom 4:15, 5:13) yet Yah Jms 1:17 … the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Heb 13:8 … the same yesterday, today, and forever. 1Cor 14:33 … is not the author of confusion … unlike so many Torah detracting people THINK.

44++ This Hebrew word is abused and overused and is a major interpretation stronghold. It simple means “DIRECTIONS” which Abraham’s BELIEF LEVEL transcends ANYTHING you or I could fathom… the point of SACRIFICING HIS SON. Please pause and meditate on that a minute… how does that compare with keeping a day of rest or other “torah” commands? Let’s put yourself into the story for a minute, which unfortunately completely overlooked by “theology”.

** Yes let us ‘transcend’, ‘meditate’ and ‘fathom’ into the subjective realm where KC can manipulate all the normative values where Torah does Not mean Teaching & Instruction but color out side the lines “DIRECTION”. Let’s rebuild Torah, Sabbath, other “torah” commands into our own image & liking; want to?

GENESIS 22:1-2 Now it came to pass after these things that Elohiym tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”
Abraham was accustomed to offering burnt offerings on altars this far but this time HIS OWN SON? Remember, this is the SON who was PROMISED would INHERIT HIS POSSESSIONS!!! Does this sound familiar to a SON you may know and love in your heart? This son of Abram was guaranteed to be born in one year and even named “Isaac” within the confines of BLOOD COVENANT #3. What is Abram going to do? We read of what was going on in his heart:

**This directly had to do with the BLOOD COVENANT and the trading/transfer of items of Gen.15 – Abraham was to offer Issac; YHWH did offer Yahshua – See 30, 39

46++HEBREWS 11:17-19 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received THE PROMISES (again PROMISES from Genesis 12:1-3 NOT “oath”)

**You delude yourself in your own twist; You want ‘granular’? Genesis 12:1 is the promise, Genesis 12:2-3 is the oath that once made yet not realized is itself a promise and are the same ID’d at Gen.15 & Gen.22. There are revealed other factors, But the origin of these reoccurring oath-promises are still from the same 1st mention Torah Gen.12 source.

47++offered up his only begotten son, of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,” concluding that Elohiym was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.
Wow, this is FAITH at its highest level my brothers and sisters. Could you do this with your son of daughter and have that kind of reasoning in your heart that YHWH would raise him/her from the dead?
The ANGEL (MALAK) of YHWH STOPS HIM (Genesis 22:11) after he was committed in his heart to drive the sword through him. This is HUGE because THIS ANGEL is none other than the BURNING TORCH was holding Abram’s POSITION of that BLOOD COVENANT in COVENANT #2 as he walked through on his behalf, and this TEST was the ultimate test to KNOW that the Malak (the Son) can give up his position in the heavenly realm (Philippians 2:7-8) and become sin for Abraham’s descendants (2 Corinthians 5:21), and anybody who would join the Abraham’s covenant in the future, and set forth the time when he would come and die in place of Abraham and future descendants. Truly Abraham SAW HIS DAY AND WAS GLAD! (John 8:56)

** Nice try; But SAW HIS DAY refers to Gen.15 where Yahshua becomes the go`el kinsmen redeemer – See 36, 38 – By the way – Abraham was not sleeping – He was in a trance like state – Look up <tardemah> Gen.15:12

48++The verses of the OATH:
GENESIS 22:15-18 Then the Angel of YHWH (BURNING TORCH) called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, and said: “BY MYSELF I HAVE SWORN, says YHWH, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore (THE GENESIS 12:1-3 PROMISE IS NOW AN OATH!!!) ; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

** The GENESIS 12:2-3 OATH always was AN OATH!!! notice; the same I will, I will, I will as GENESIS 22 also ID’d at GENESIS 15.

49++If there is any doubt after this shortened article to demonstrate DrDave’s foundational error of THE OATH and which the fabric of COVENANTAL RELATIONSHIP hangs in the balance, let’s finish with this verse. JAMES 2:21-24 Was not Abraham our father justified (MEANING RIGHT STANDING WITH THE FAITHER, A HUGE COVENANTAL CORRELATION BETWEEN OBEDIENCE AND “SALVATION”) by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? (SPEAKING OF THE OATH WE JUST READ OF IN GENESIS 22:16)

** You say “A HUGE COVENANTAL CORRELATION” what covenant was this pray tell? It had to be Gen.15 that involve exchange See 30, 29, 45. (SPEAKING OF THE OATH WE JUST READ OF IN GENESIS 22:16) – This is your uncontested take – See 48

50++Do you see that faith (REMEMBER GENESIS 15:6 WHEN ABRAM FINALLY BELIEVED?) was working together with his works (ACTION/OBEDIENCE), and by works faith was made perfect? (MEANING “TO BE BROUGH TO ITS END) And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed Elohiym, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” (GENESIS 15:6 WAY AFTER GENESIS 12:1-3 PROMISE) And he was called the friend of Elohiym (TO BE CALLED A FRIEND OF ELOHIYM YOU MUST PROVE YOUR COMMITMENT LEVEL AS ABRAHAM DID AFTER COMING INTO COVENANT RELATIONSHIP). You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

**This is artfully crafted – FINALLY BELIEVED? Obviously ABRahAM always from GENESIS 12 BELIEVED or else there would be no Gen.15, 17, 22, etc. or this exercise. Yes there has to be ACTION (vital signs) to faith but as most miss including you; ‘faith’ can also be translated ‘fidelty’ this speaks of Covenant. You say ‘GENESIS 15:6 WAY AFTER GENESIS 12:1-3 PROMISE’ – saying the same things? That 1? You quote – a man is justified by works – this also has to do with covenant Eph.2:10-12
You speak of Genesis 15:6 Believed Yah/’counted’ (past tense) even at Gen.12 imagine that the start of it all – How could he have known anything that was to come next including/let alone Gen.22/

When you look at your assertion ‘granularly’ it is not very well thot out

51++This section of James actually the Scripture was fulfilled of Genesis 15:6 when Abraham offered his son on the altar! This act of dedication was also the simultaneous moment when the Angel (Malak) of YHWH SWORE TO HIMSELF to at that moment make the PROMISE of Genesis 12:1-3 because in Genesis 15:8-21 it was Him (The Malak) that had made the blood covenant commitment on behalf of Abraham, and even until that moment He was waiting to see if Abraham would be faithful, putting him to the ultimate test! Do you see how tests and discipline comes to Abraham’s children as well — that’s you and me! Do you see how important we establish this COVENANT foundation to rightly view our walk of faith?

** You miss speak here also – Abraham would (Continue to) be faithful, putting him to the ultimate test! – And this Continue from Gen.12 to be faithful

You say @’when Abraham offered his son on the altar!’ Using Genesis 15:6 in the same breath? Believed/’counted’ (past tense) something that hadn’t happen yet?

52++My beloved brothers and sisters, I PRAY you see the impact of viewing this covenant story through an intense story line. This isn’t just some ‘Torah’ batch of stew… there is a real life adventure going on here and proper interpretation of great significance for us to behold His beauty and urgently get the understanding of so many souls walking in the blood covenant under the lies of the devil, keeping them bound in lack of knowledge, which the consequences are terrible. May we all let go of everything we are holding onto and pursue THE GREATEST LOVE STORY OF ALL TIME and pour our hearts and lives into carrying forth this message of INHERITING THE KINGDOM by BLOOD COVENANT OBEDIENCE. ROMANS 3:4 …let ELOHIYM BE TRUE BUT EVERY MAN A LIAR. As it is written: “That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.”
Your vote please: “DrDave’s theology” or THE GREATEST LOVE STORY OF ALL TIME?

** Kirk Carmichael – Thankyou for that closing jab – you speak about love and truth while proceeding to dismantle and or denigrate Torah, the Feast Days, Proper Covenant of Promise understanding and even but not limited to the Shabbat. In your rush to crash thru all the (what you see as) barriers and parameters you assault even cognitive thought and understanding – with your tortured twist of theology according to you. You violate so many things it’s crazy making – including obvious chronology in a kind of random association spin – that this happened because of this, that was before that, even tho the preceding was spoken in past tense?

This is a convoluted conundrum, a thinly veiled attempt at ‘know better 1 upmanship’ which is of course arrogance. You (KC) are the 1 that refuses to validate even plain biblical text never mind the obscure and do diligence in study and research instead using Sunday School tactics and Bully reasoning; which would be tolerable ‘IF’ you were right – But clearly you are Not! – Complete with validating yourself over everyone else including Matthew – You; A legend in your own mind

Matthew is right there is a continual program of Elevation and Denigration. You continually degrade, besmirch and defame me. To elevate yourself and your message. I ought to feel flattered that you see little ole me as the 1 to beat. The “theory” that I hold to is that Torah is correct. Just as Isa.8:20 says it. You on the other-hand plow thru so very many of even normative biblical understanding it’s dizzying. Much like trying to eek out a spot and establish order thru chaos. Very similar to the Lunar nonsense you were and did push – Yet; from the posts I read you’re still doing it. If this is still so – This would go a long way to explain why you do what you in the way you do it – and the theology you hold. Tell me and all the good people here where do you stand on these issues. And where you’re potentially leading them.
1]Lunar Sabbath vs The 7th Day Sabbath – Friday sunset to Saturday sunset?
2]Morning to Morning Day vs A Genesis sunset to sunset Day?
3]The Lunar non-sense of a 1 or 2 New Moon non-day/s every month?
4]Is your 50day count to Shavout 50 or 51 or 52 days because of #3
5] Is your Sabbath Friday sunset to Saturday sunset? OR Every Tues. 1 month – Every Wed. the next and still every Thus the next – and on and on
6]And all the other lunary that goes with it.

Audience you would be wise to ask Kirk Carmichael and his core group these questions and more. Do Not be content with any thing less than a forthright clear fully honest answer. Then compare that to your Bible (Acts 17:11)


Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s