The Jos.5:5 Connection


The Jos.5:5 Connection

Jos 5:2 At that time YHWH said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time.

Jos 5:5 Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people that were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, them they had not circumcised.

These verses even though not Torah tell a huge part of the Torah story – one that I dare say most Messianic, Hebrew Roots, Netzarim Israel, Torah Observant, etc. are ignorant of and do not understand; including even the the Jews themselves. If there be Jews that understand this point be they Orthodox, Rabbinic, Conservative, Reform to Karaite , etc. they certainly would want to turn a blind eye and claim no knowledge as to keep silent or to silence what this verse reveals.

Jos 5:6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of YHWH: …

What happened 40yrs prior?

We have to start with the 1st Passover (Ex12) – when the Israelite left Egypt the day after the Passover (Num 33:3, Dt 16:1) – Moses called all Israelites to circumcise (Ex 12:48-49). We can safely assume that all Israelites (and converts) were circumcised by the time they reached the Sinai wilderness ‘in the 3rd month’ (Ex.19:1). Or possibly that was what the 3 days was for to ready themselves – in any case; they were circumcised.

Now they were ready to receive ‘The Book of the Covenant’ (Ex.19:5-24:8). But they broke this Melchizedek Covenant with the breach of the Gold Calf (Ex.32) 40 +/- days later and were no longer eligible to be Melchizedek Priests (Ex.19:5-6) and were thrust under the Levitical Priesthood (Heb.7:11).

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Now we can do some basic math – the day after the Passover is Abib 15 – Most scholars and Jews alike teach that the original Sinai Covenant was given on Shavuot. Seven weeks from Abib 15 (and a few days) would put you ‘in the 3rd month’. Now add 40 days to that would put us in the 4th month.

That is when the Israelites breached the Covenant and evoked Yah’s sentence of death (Ex.32:10). But Moses pleaded for the people and YHWH relented – but were thrown under the Levitical Priesthood. There is a huge difference between a nation ‘of’ Melchizedek Priests and being a nation ‘with’ Levitical Priests. And evidenced by Jos.5:5 this is when the Israelites stopped circumcizing their young.

Think about it the Covenant required circumcizion – BUT – they broke the Covenant; now there was nothing to circumcize for. That is Paul’s point;

Rom 2:25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

The Israelites not circumcizing their young for the next 40 years proves that point.

Now; What else happened in that 40 years after breaking Covenant? – tzitzits (Num.15) – tzitzits are to attest to, signify and remind the wearer to keep the Com’dts; Right? So what gives? These tzitzit wear’n Israelites stopped circumcizing their young – a Com’dt! They wrote the law on stones (Dt.27:8) the same law that specified circumcizion that they weren’t doing! Moses gave ‘The Book of the Law’ (Dt.31:26) over to a mostly un-circumcized Levite Priesthood and Israelite nation.

That same un-circumcized crowd commanded by Joshua to;

Jos.1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Jos 1:16 ¶ And they answered Joshua, saying, All that thou commandest us we (the un-circumcized) will do, and whithersoever thou sendest us, we will go. 17 According as we hearkened unto Moses (who was circumcized) in all things, so will we hearken unto thee: only YHWH thy Elohim be with thee, as he was with Moses.

From the same un-circumcized crowd came the duo that spied out Jericho (Jos 2:1)

These same un-circumcized Levite Priests carried the ark (Jos 3:6) across the miracle of a parting Jordan river (Jos 3:17)

From the same un-circumcized crowd, 12 are chosen and told to set stones as a monument (Jos.4:5-6)

Jos 5:10 they kept Passover – well at least then they were circumcized (Jos 5:7) – but that begs the question what about the prior 40yrs.? Either the tzitzit wear’n Fathers kept Passover with their tzitzit wear’n un-circumcized sons – OR- They did not keep Passover for 40yrs. Either way is a break of the law.

OK – Jos 5:2 says to ‘circumcise again the children of Israel the second time’ – So when was the 1st time? Gen.17 was the initial (1st) command to circumcize under the Melchizedek Priesthood. Jos 5:2 was the ‘second’ command coming under the Levitical Priesthood.

So; logic would dictate that those today that are convinced to circumcize for a religious value, think they are being obedient to Gen.17 which is (whether realized or not) Melchizedek – the Covenant break and the 40yr. secession void proves the opposite. These convinced ones are really being obedient to Jos.5:2 which is (whether realized or not) Levitical.

Heb 7:11 ¶ If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) …

1Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of Elohim.

Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? Then is the offence of the cross ceased (?)

This is a rhetorical question

According to Gal 5:11 one of the many offences of the cross/stake was physical circumcizion.

It is interesting that the 1st place that you see ‘Circumcizion of the Heart’ mentioned is Deut. (Dt 10:16; 30:6) after the Covenant break. Making their Physical Circumcizion as un-Circumcizion

Interesting that ‘Circumcizion of the Heart’ is the New Testament/Covenant standard (Rom 2:29)

Choose Wisely – Yah’s Esteem – DrDave


2 thoughts on “The Jos.5:5 Connection

  1. I don’t understand. If you’re saying that Torah has changed back to the original, pre-Levitical, Melchizedek covenant, wouldn’t that include circumcision (Gen 17), just as it includes observance of shabbat, the Feastdays, etc.?

    • G.17 Curcmsn was broken along with/because of the Ex.32 Cov’t break; which also broke the G.15 Promise guarantee that demanded the death position that Yahshua did die. None of that can be overlooked, taken away, or renegotiated by the originals (in the original setting with Abraham, the Ex. Israelites, etc.) now can it? What you must understand about Cov’t is you either keep it intact or you break it. Once broken you have to make a ‘New’ Cov’t with ‘New’ factors including ‘sign’ – That’s what we now have in the ‘New’ Cov’t in Curcmsn of the Heart

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