Melkizedeq Attack 11

https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2015/09/11/melkizedeq-priesthood-challenge-series/

David Wilber’s (Stand-in for Jim Staley) Return Melkizedeq Attack Rehash

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1st off DW I/We are not on the God, LORD/Lord, Jesus program that you as Torah teacher (???) stand-in for J. Staley are evidently on. So if you insist to attribute to us your rehash of what you think what we said means – Please use the proper verbiage and Names.
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I have copied this your latest Melkizedeq Covenants and Priesthood populous redirection and will answer the same @ https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/
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This will be listed with the other Melkizedeq Challenges and unstudied, not fully accounted for, wayward objections
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May Yah’s Word be True – (Posted Tues. 4.12.16)
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Matthew Nolan and David Perry’s Melchizedek Doctrine: Subtracting from Torah?
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** Or following Acts 17:11 searching to ‘Rightly Divide’ 2Tm.2:15
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David Wilber April 11, 2016 Apologetics
Should we keep only the commands contained in the “Book of the Covenant” and not the ones contained in the “Book of the Law”?
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** This is misleading ‘Mr. Christian’! There is alot more Melkizedeq issues contained in Torah before the Covenant breach of Ex.32 starting with Gen.1:1!
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There are two individuals in the Torah-keeping movement who teach what I consider to be errors concerning a supposed distinction within the Torah. One of these individuals has written two books on the topic while the other is actively teaching their ideas at conferences and congregations around the United States. Normally I tend to keep to myself and let people believe what they want. I rarely feel the desire to publicly address other people’s teachings, but I’ve received quite a few questions about the information brought forth by these two individuals. After privately trying to reason with both of these teachers over e-mail, I’ve decided that I should go ahead and write this public response.
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**There are two individuals in the Torah-keeping movement – you choose to focus on, actually there are many teaching this now with hundreds listening and following.
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This article is based on my research of Matthew Nolan and David Perry’s public teachings on this topic in addition to my e-mail conversations with them. I focus specifically on their belief that the commands contained in what they define as “the book of the law” are no longer for believers today. You can find out more about their teachings on their websites. David Perry wrote a response to this article, which you can read here.
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/melkizedeq-priesthood-attack-ii/
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** This all by itself is a misleading statement. There are many Melkizedeq issues and laws that have been restated in “the book of the law” that stand in their original Melkizedeq place – Gen.1:1 thru Ex.24:11.
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1] The Application of Torah
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For those who are unfamiliar with my views concerning the role of Torah in the life of Believers, I’ll give a quick summary: I am a Torah-pursuant Christian. That means that I follow Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) and I believe that the Bible teaches me to obey the commandments and principles outlined in the Torah (often translated into English as “law”) given through the Prophet Moses. Stated more negatively, I deny the belief that the Torah is, at best, no longer relevant to Christians, or at worst, a burdensome yoke that was abolished and taken out of the way by Yeshua’s death and resurrection. According to Yeshua, nothing from the Torah will pass away until heaven and earth passes away (Matthew 5:17-19). Heaven and earth do not pass away until there is no more crying, mourning, pain, nor death (Revelation 21:1-4). We still have crying, mourning, pain, and death; therefore, it follows logically that nothing from the Torah has passed away.
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** Does that include Gen.49:10? Of Course! See;
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2] Many aspects of the Torah cannot be kept today due to the fact that the elements required to Biblically observe them do not exist right now. For instance, we cannot observe the commandments concerning sacrifices because there is no Temple in Jerusalem at which to make sacrifices.
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** And just where is that proviso in Torah?
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2015/01/21/pre-declared-awareness/
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/have-you-ever-noticed/
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However, there are many aspects of Torah that we should keep today, such as: the Sabbath, dietary instructions, wearing tzitziyot, and not lying, stealing, coveting, etc. Also, although there are some aspects of the feasts that cannot be observed right now (e.g. sacrifices at the Temple), we keep the memory of the Feasts to the best of our ability while we’re not in the land. This would include keeping the annual Sabbaths and rituals associated with the Feast days (such as ridding our homes of leaven during the Feast of Unleavened Bread and fasting during Yom Kippur).
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3] I say all that to make my point that when it comes to figuring out which parts of Torah are applicable for today, it is not a matter of “picking and choosing.” It’s a matter of whether some things are even possible.
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**Hello – Aren’t you just too clever – Good point DW; by Num.3:12 & Heb.7:14-15 it is ‘not possible’ for a non-Levite to be a Levitical Priest – That includes Yahshua & most of us! – Read 1Ptr.2:9
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4] To give an analogy, in Missouri there are speed limit laws that apply to certain roads. If a road is under construction and blocked off to traffic, then the speed limit law of that road becomes inapplicable. You can’t accuse a law-abiding citizen of Missouri of ignoring the speed limit of that road if they physically can’t apply it. In the same way, many of the laws in Torah require certain specific elements in order to be properly observed. As stated above, many of those elements do not exist today (e.g. a physical Temple in Jerusalem). Therefore, those particular laws become inapplicable until the road is no longer under construction, so-to-speak. Furthermore, many laws in Torah apply only to specific people. To continue with this analogy, if you don’t have a driver’s license, then none of Missouri’s driving laws apply to you. They apply only to drivers. Much in the same way, Torah gives specific laws to specific people (Priests, Levities, Judges, farmers, women, poor people, rich people, etc.). Therefore, if you are not a Priest or Levite operating within a physical Temple in Jerusalem, or a judge over theocratic Israel appointed by God Himself, then the specific laws given to those groups of people don’t apply to you.
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One day Yeshua will return and reestablish the Temple in Jerusalem. Israel will be a theocratic government with the Torah as its constitution again. Much of the Torah will apply again at that time, but in the meantime, we can only do the best we can with where we are.
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5] A New Revelation of Torah?
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What is stated above has been my view for the past eight years. I’m used to having to defend my views against “mainstream Christians” who claim that the Torah is fulfilled in Christ, which according to them means that we don’t have to keep commands like a literal Sabbath anymore. However, recently the validity of the Torah is being questioned from a different angle. There are two individuals who now are teaching that Torah-pursuant Christians and Messianics, such as myself, are clinging to the “status quo” by holding to our current Messianic theology. It is said that until we accept their new revelation we are rejecting our full inheritance as “Melchizedek priests.”
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So, what exactly is their “new revelation”?
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6] It goes like this: God’s original plan was that His people were all supposed to be priests and follow only the commands that are found in “the Book of the Covenant” (apparently in addition to a few other random commands given earlier in Genesis and Exodus for reasons I don’t understand). Exodus 19:5-6 are the opening lines of this covenant and it ends when the Covenant is ratified at Exodus 24:8.
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Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.” And Moses took the blood and threw it on the people and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words. – Exodus 24:7-8
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**Except for the God, LORD/Lord thing this part is quite good
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7] Israel broke this Covenant when they made the golden calf (Exodus 32). Since Israel was unfaithful, God was going to wipe them out. However, Moses pleaded for them and God decided not to kill them. Instead, God made a “plan B.” The plan B was to establish the Levitical Priesthood. Moreover, God decided to add “the Book of the Law” to the Covenant, which apparently includes all of God’s commands contained in Exodus 24:12 – Deuteronomy 31:26.
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8] When Messiah Yeshua died and was resurrected, the Melchizedek priesthood took the place of the Levitical priesthood, and therefore the Book of the Law was removed and taken out of the way. This means that the only commands followers of Yeshua need to keep today are found in the Book of the Covenant. Why? Because that was the original Covenant to which God’s people were called as Melchizedek priests (before they forfeited this calling and God made the Levites priests instead and added the Book of the Law). God’s commandments that are found in the Book of the Law, plus the entire Levitical priesthood, were apparently only temporary until Yeshua came and replaced the Levitical priesthood with the Melchizedek priesthood.
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** This is only partially true at best. Israel specifically broke that original Sinai Melkizedeq Covenant (a contract or Plan A). YHWH was to wipe them all out (including Aaron & his sons Ex.32:10). The Plan B Levitical priesthood happened in order to ‘buy time’ to get Israel to the next contract (the New Covenant) that YHWH would make with Israel through his Son’s blood; reattaching back to Plan A.
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9] From what I can tell, the above hypothesis is simply their attempt at reconciling the difficult passages in the New Testament that seem to speak negatively about the law (Torah). Basically, their view is that any time the New Testament seems to say that the law is done away with or burdensome or temporary, it’s actually talking about the “Book of the Law” (the commands contained in Exodus 24:12 – Deuteronomy 31:26). Again, according to their view, the Book of the Law was added because of transgression (Galatians 3:19) — specifically the transgression of the golden calf. The Book of the Law was not part of the original covenant. Moreover, it was placed on the side of the ark (Deuteronomy 31:26), it’s “against us,” it’s not any good, and it is now removed and taken out of the way because Yeshua established the Melchizedek priesthood. Therefore, if anyone keeps and teaches the commands contained in the Book of the Law (e.g. wearing tzitziyot or fasting on Yom Kippur), they are living in legalistic bondage and promulgating the religious status quo!
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10] Here are 10 reasons why you should reject this theory
1) The Bible never makes a clear distinction between the Book of the Covenant and the Book of the Law. In fact, sometimes the two titles are used synonymously.
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For example: 2 Chronicles 34 tells us that the “Book of the Law” was found by Hilkiah the priest and brought to King Josiah (vs. 14-21). This same book is called the “Book of the Covenant” when King Josiah reads it to the elders of Judah and Jerusalem (vs. 29-30). The same story is told in 2 Kings 22 & 23 — the Book of the Law is found (2 Kings 22:8), and the same book is then later called the Book of the Covenant (2 Kings 23:2).
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**This is a direct Lie! Clearly Torah Does! And that’s 1 among many problems – “Torah is the Anchor – the Nevi’im (“Prophets”) or the Ketuvim (“Writings”) of the TaNaK along with the New Testament – Must agree with the Torah (Isa.8:20) and cannot be used to wrench Torah to another conclusion (Jn.7:16)”
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2015/01/21/pre-declared-awareness/
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The Melchizedek Connection (Discovering Your Higher Calling) ie https://www.google.com/#q=The+Melchizedek+Connection+%28Discovering+Your+Higher+Calling%29 – David Wilber & Crew can’t delete all of them – Jim Staley was initially on board w/ Matthew Nolan
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11] When I brought this point up to the two individuals promoting this theory, they responded by saying that if Hilkiah had found the Book of the Law then he would have also found the Book of the Covenant since they were right next to each other (Deuteronomy 31:26).
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**That DW is Not what I said;
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12] Quick side note: They also believe that all the commands throughout the entire Book of the Covenant (Exodus 24:12-24:8) were written on the stone tablets, not just the Ten Commandments. This will be addressed later.
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13] The problem with their response is that they are assuming that there were, in fact, two books found. However, there is nothing from the text indicating that there were two books found. The plain reading of the text is that only one book is being referred to.
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14] They cited Ezekiel 20:25 as their proof text to support their view that there is a dichotomy between the Book of the Law and the Book of the Covenant:
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“because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes, profaned My Sabbaths, and their eyes were fixed on their fathers idols. 25 Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good, and judgments by which they could not live; 26 and I pronounced them unclean because of their ritual gifts, in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire, that I might make them desolate and that they might know that I am the Lord.” -Ezekiel 20:24-26
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These “not good” statutes, they say, are referring to the “Book of the Law.” However, there are several flaws with this interpretation. First of all, if Ezekiel was speaking against keeping certain commandments in Torah, then he would be a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 13. Moreover, Deuteronomy 30 states that the laws were given for a blessing, not for harm or punishment. And verse 14 of chapter 30 specifically says that we can do the Book of the Law. Therefore, the “statutes that were not good, and judgments by which they could not live” in Ezekiel 20:25 cannot possibly be referring to any of God’s commandments.
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** You quoted :26 to try and make your point I did not! – Read from Ezekiel 20:10-25
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15] A reasonable alternative interpretation is that these “not good” statutes and judgments were those adopted from the heathens. It seems more plausible that the text is saying “because you have broken my commandments (vs 24), I am going to give you over to these pagan ways that I pronounce unclean because they pass their firstborn through the fires of Molech”.
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This is similar to what is said in Isaiah 63:17.
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“O LORD, why do you make us wander from your ways and harden our heart, so that we fear you not?”
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Also consider Acts 7:42.
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“But God turned away from them and gave them over to worship the host of heaven.”
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Finally, Romans 1:21-28 says that God gave the heathens “up to uncleanness,” “unto vile affections,” “to a reprobate mind.” There are many other examples like this. Ezekiel’s point was that the consequences of disobedience and rebellion against God’s commands leads the sinner on to even greater sin. The Israelites rebelled against God. Therefore, the natural consequence of their disobedience was that they fell under the influence of the heathens.
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16] 2) The Priesthood was given to Aaron and his sons before the golden calf incident.
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Then bring near to you Aaron your brother, and his sons with him, from among the people of Israel, to serve me as priests—Aaron and Aaron’s sons, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar. –Exodus 28:1
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**Yes – But you don’t know enough to honestly explain – This was before breaking Covenant Ex.32 ‘:10’ where YHWH was to wipe them all out (This includes Aaron & Sons; this includes their previous Melkizedeq standing – Num.3:12)
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17] If God established the priesthood and added the Book of the Law as a result of the golden calf, then why does it appear that it was His intention to give the Priesthood to Aaron before the golden calf incident ever happened? It’s also helpful to note that all Priests are Levites, but not all Levites are Priests. Levites actually served as helpers to the Priests. They had some priestly duties, but they were not Priests themselves. It could be said that the Levites (not the Priests) were formally set apart for this service after the golden calf incident (Exodus 32:25-29). It is inferred that they replaced the firstborn for this particular service based on passages such as Numbers 3:12. However, this was not a change in priesthood, but rather a change in the office of priestly helpers to the sons of Aaron. Again, the priesthood on earth was established and given to Aaron and his sons before the golden calf incident.
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18] Their response to this point was simply to say that some parts of Torah weren’t written in chronological order. In other words, they believe that Exodus 28 happened after Exodus 32. I fully concede that parts of the Torah are not written in chronological order. However, some parts of it are — and the transition between the end of Exodus 31:18 (right after all the tabernacle and priesthood commands) and the beginning of Exodus 32 strongly appear to be chronological. He gives Tabernacle commandments in chapter 31 and ends the chapter saying: “31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.” This tells us that Moses is on the mountain as God gives him commandments concerning the Tabernacle and then writes the Ten Commandments on stone. The very next chapter starts out telling us that Moses is still on the mountain when the golden calf incident occurs, and then verse 15 tells us that Moses came down from the Mountain with the stone tablets. One would need a very strong textual argument to show that this is not chronological.
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** “they believe that Exodus 28 happened after Exodus 32” – You DW are absolutely Wrong! I will speak for myself – Exodus is written in chronological order – Passover before Their exodus, etc. From the mountain YHWH (who knows all) knew what Israel was planning, knew they had broken the Covenant already in their hearts before they ever made the Golden Calf. He knew He was going to have to enact His Plan B; so He began giving Moses those instructions before going down the Mt.
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19] Their entire hypothesis rests on a reverse chronology in this story, and because the foundation of their theory is based on this reverse chronology, this must be addressed — not just in theory, but with irrefutable proof. The only possible argument that could be made is that the commands given throughout Exodus 25 – 31 are not what Moses received when he was on the Mountain for 40 days and 40 nights, as indicated by Exodus 24:18. But this argument is flawed because the narrative picks up in Exodus 32 with Moses coming down from the mountain. What was he doing on the mountain if not receiving the commands given in Exodus 25-31? Why would the Torah be written in such a confusing way? Every indication is that the entire section is chronological.
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** I will speak for myself – – Exodus is written in chronological order – Passover before Their exodus, before Sinai, before the ‘gold calf’ etc.
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20] It must be reiterated that it is not stated anywhere that there was a change in the priesthood at the golden calf incident. If anything, the ordination of the Levities was established at that point. The Levites are not necessarily priests, though. Again, all priests are Levites, but not all Levites are priests.
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** Many thing aren’t directly stated (Prv.25:2) – Especially when the evidence is overwhelming – Case in point – Yahshua never says ‘I’m the Messiah’ – But He Is. Ex. 19:5-6 (“You [as in all of Israel] will be a Nation of Priests”); In Lev. 3:12 & 8:16 we see that it was only Aaron and his sons that were ordinated into a priesthood — Not the 1st born of the whole congregation of Israel! – a Nation ‘of’ Priests vs a Nation ‘with’ Priests; Big Difference. Not directly stated; but the evidence bares this out to be so.
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21] 3) God says that we are blessed when we keep His commands contained in the Book of the Law.
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** So why do you still insist to call Yahweh ‘God’? – And this just in .. Ex.20 is contained in the Book of the Covenant Ex.19:5 – 24:8-11 ‘Mr Christian’.
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These two individuals talk about how the Book of the Law was set beside the Ark of the Covenant as a witness against the people of Israel (Deuteronomy 31:26). They interpret this to mean that the instructions in the Book of the Law were added as a punishment — hence they were “against them.” They later correlate this concept with verses like Colossians 2:14 where it talks about Yeshua canceling the record of debt that stood “against us” — and they read the “Book of the Law” into that passage. Their conclusion is that Yeshua took away the commandments contained in their definition of the Book of the Law, leaving only their definition of the Book of the Covenant to remain for Believers.
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** I will speak for myself – You twist the Bible at Col.2:14 to say what most ‘Christians’ coming to Torah led by Levitical Minded Messianic’s led by Rabbi’s want it to say. “record of (sin) debt” is a bogus interpretation that is of course not there And does not make sense – You’re saying that ‘Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances’ ie Laws; is really ??? Blotting out the handwriting of infractions/perpetrations ie sin breaking those laws ??? Fantasy! What do you think was “set outside the Ark as a witness against us?” Some prophesy of future sin infractions? Ridiculous!
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22] But if the commands are a blessing then how can it be said that they are against us or added as a punishment for making an idol?
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When we read the context we discover that Deuteronomy 31:26 is teaching us that breaking God’s law brings disaster. The Book of the Law stood as a “witness against them” because it informed them of the consequences of their actions. We’ve all broken the law; therefore, it stands as a witness against us because of our sin. Yeshua took away the consequence of eternal damnation that we all deserve for breaking the law — nailing our record of debt to the cross. He did not take away the law.
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** You DW are confused and confusing those that listen to you – Jn.3:16 Yahshua died for the whole world; Yes? – Will Yahshua save the whole world? By Mt.7:23 alone – No! In the same way Col.2:14 is about regenerated believers that accept Yahshua’s finished work on the cross – This does not apply to those that don’t or any other, for them the Levitical Book of the Law is still in place – And for those that can’t fathom not having an anchor to drag. That say But really don’t – being and deceiving themselves and others.
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23] 4) There is no reason to believe that Covenants made after Exodus 24:8 are somehow less valid or binding.
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A covenant is an agreement between two parties. Just because you have one agreement doesn’t mean that you can’t have more. When two people get married, they agree to certain terms of a Covenant (e.g., “in sickness and in health”). After the first week of marriage, there are hundreds of laws that are “added” to that agreement (e.g., “don’t leave the toilet seat up”). Is God not allowed to have additional expectations of His people after giving them expectations in Exodus 20-24?
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When I asked these two individuals this question, their response was that the laws given after Exodus 24:8 were “not a covenant.” In fact, here is their exact quote from our e-mail exchange:
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“BoL [Book of the Law] is Non-Covenant Torah, that was later added as a witness against us for breaking Covenant Torah. These later BoL laws are Not Covenant.”
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However, this is what Deuteronomy 29:1 says about the Book of the Law:
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These are the words of the covenant which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 29:1
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This is after Exodus 24:8 and God makes it clear that the Book of the Law was called “Covenant.”
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Again, there is no reason to assume that we shouldn’t follow one of God’s commandments just because He commanded it after Exodus 24:8.
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24] 5) The “change in the priesthood” was not a change to the earthly priesthood.
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Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law. – Hebrews 8:4
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Hebrews 8:4 tells us that Yeshua cannot be a priest on earth, because according to the law, the earthly priesthood was given to Aaron (Exodus 28:1). This tells us that Yeshua’s heavenly priesthood did not affect the earthly priesthood. The earthly priestly system is a copy and a shadow of the heavenly system. The heavenly tabernacle does not replace the earthly tabernacle, just like the establishment of the earthly tabernacle didn’t replace the heavenly tabernacle (Exodus 25:9,40).
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25] Their response to this point was simply to ask which priesthood we are part of if Yeshua’s priesthood is not on earth (citing 1 Peter 2:9 which states that we [Followers of Yeshua] are a royal priesthood).
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My question to them is, if Yeshua is not a priest on earth then why are we? Furthermore, Peter clearly states that he is referring to a spiritual priesthood, not an earthly one (see verse 5 of 1 Peter 2). Not all of us are priests on earth; only the sons of Aaron are priests on earth. However, we all should function as priests from a spiritual perspective (priest means minister and servant of the High Priest). Peter is simply applying the quote from Exodus to Believers in Yeshua to make a point. He’s drawing a Spiritual principle to say that we should behave as holy ministers and servants of Yeshua. He isn’t randomly declaring that Christians have replaced the sons of Aaron as the literal priests on earth.
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**You DW are confused and diminish your own self; calling/’helping’ ??? others do the same. – See; #24
https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/exactly-the-same/
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/why-melkizedeq/
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26] 6) Yeshua said that nothing from the Torah (including the Book of the Law) will pass away until heaven and earth passes away (Matthew 5:17-19).
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Their response was essentially to agree that nothing has passed away, but they said that we still don’t have to keep the commands contained in the Book of the Law anymore because of the change in priesthood — which makes the phrase “pass away” rather meaningless. Commands can be inapplicable because there is no way to literally keep them (as explained above), but the passage is clear that no commandment has been made void or invalid. Indeed, many of the commands that are inapplicable now will become applicable again when Yeshua returns.
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27] 7) God has more than Ten Commandments.
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As briefly mentioned above, one of the aspects of their hypothesis is that all of the commands contained in the Book of the Covenant (Exodus 19:5 – 24:8) were written on the stone tablets. However, Deuteronomy 5:22 states that it was only the Ten Commandments that were written on the two tablets. After Moses gets done repeating the Ten Commandments, he says:
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These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and he added no more. And he wrote them on the two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
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**If you believe this means only 10 then why do you bother with the rest of the Torah? This is so sophomoric – This is a ‘Christian’ still on milk argument – And not very well thot out – If “he added no more”; Well? Then you come along & others like you ‘adding’. Again; Do your own study; prove it to yourself and others. The Hebrew word translated ‘no’ can also mean ‘verily, as for a truth, etc. This is borne out by Dt.5:1 that equals Ex.24:3 – Statutes & Judgements ie the entire Cov’t.
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28] Also, Deuteronomy 10:4 states:
And he wrote on the tablets, in the same writing as before, the Ten Commandments that the Lord had spoken to you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly. And the Lord gave them to me.
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** Do your own study you excuse for a so-called ‘teacher’ (Jms.3:1) – so you can know to tell the whole truth next time – The phrase 10 Com’dts only occur 3x’s in the Bible. This is what the word ‘ten’ can mean;
H6240
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‛a^s´a^r -aw-sawr’
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For H6235; ten (only in combination), that is, the “teens”; also (ordinal) a “teenth”: – [eigh-, fif-, four-, nine-, seven-, six-, thir-] teen (-th), + eleven (-th), + sixscore thousand, + twelve (-th).
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This is also borne out by Dt.5:1 that equals Ex.24:3 – Statutes & Judgments. Also Ex.24:3 carries the law of 1st mention which carries the most definition weight that cannot be changed thru the entire Bible.
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2014/12/12/different-vs-same/
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/halakah/
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29] Their response was that the Hebrew word “lo,” which is translated in English as “no” in Deut. 4:22 doesn’t actually mean “no.” I’m not a Hebrew scholar, but I have not been able to verify this at all. Furthermore, they claimed that the Hebrew word “Eser,” translated in English as “ten” (Deut 10:4), could actually mean more than ten. But this Hebrew word is used 157 times in the Bible and every single instance it means the exact number ten. Again, I simply could not verify these claims — even after checking with people who know Biblical Hebrew to make sure I’m not missing anything.
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** Well think again – “I have not been able to verify this at all” even tho I gave it last time as well?
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30] This is actually very critical, because if these Hebrew words are translated correctly, then it would mean that what these individuals are defining as “Covenant commandments” — the only ones we should still be keeping — are actually limited to only the Ten Commandments. That would be the theological implications of their position if those passages are translated correctly (which they are).
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** DW – You are so very wrong and a sad piece of work; that won’t do the productive study or work (2Tm.2:15)
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31] 8) There is no reason to assume that the commands placed on the side of the Ark are less important or valid than the commands placed inside the Ark.
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Furthermore, if the commands placed on the side of the Ark of the Covenant are somehow less important, then by that formula, the entire rest of the Bible, including the New Testament documents, are therefore even less important as they are not included in the Temple at all!
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** Actually you are Wrong again – You must allow that the commands placed on the ‘inside’ of the Ark of the ??? – Covenant! Are in fact the entire Covenant (Statutes & Judgements – Ex.24:3), they would carry the most weight! Being the standard for all other/s (Mt.23:23) And Set-Apart to YHWH as the Ark in the Ark placement position would suggest.
See –
https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2014/09/30/about-atonement/
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/381/
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32] 9) There is no evidence that this theory is true.
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Why is there not a single trace of clear instruction or dialogue about this supposed distinction in the entire Bible? If this theory is true, then it would most certainly be the most important doctrinal revelation since creation. And indeed, it would be reasonable to assume that the prophets would have foretold of it. Also, wouldn’t the apostles have gone into great depth on the subject so that there would be no confusion? Furthermore, there is so much arguing between Paul and his opponents on the issue of Torah, but not one single time did he think to just explain to the Circumcision Party that there are two different books!? Paul is brilliant and it seems unreasonable that he would miss such an opportunity to set the record straight. On the other hand, he seems to defend the Torah to the hilt. This topic is extremely controversial between Torah-based Messianics today and those who hold to this doctrine — how much more would it be controversial in a world full of Jewish Messianics who were even more zealous about the Law since the Temple was still standing? Yet there is not a single biblical or extra biblical source telling us of such arguments? This alone makes it very suspicious to me as a modern day creation.
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** @“There is no evidence that this theory is true” – How ’bout Heb.7:12 for starters? You are so very Obstinate & Blind or just plain ole DisHonest or all of the above; both to the Text and the People. Not to mention – US! As this direct lie statement bares you record of yourself – “there is not a single biblical or extra biblical source” – There could not be a more untrue ‘absolute statement’ Einstein.
@“if this theory is true, then it would most certainly be the most important doctrinal revelation since creation” – I would not have said so – But Thankyou – It does happen to be so!
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32] 10) The Apostles all continued to keep and teach the commands contained in the Book of the Law.
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Paul says that “all” Scripture is “breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.” This would include the Book of the Law. James makes the judgment that the Gentiles will learn the rest of the Torah every Sabbath in the synagogue (Acts 15:21) knowing that the rabbis would be teaching the Book of the Law in addition to the Book of the Covenant. Is James advocating that the Gentiles learn false doctrine? Furthermore, all four of the commands listed in Acts 15:20 that Gentiles were specifically commanded to do are found in the “Book of the Law.” Paul continued to observe Yom Kippur by fasting in Acts 28:9. Paul takes a nazarite vow in Acts 21:20-26. The list goes on and on.
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**@ “Paul says that “all” Scripture” – That’s Right! Even the parts you wish to ignore!
@ “James makes the judgment that the Gentiles will learn the rest of the Torah” That’s Right! Even Gen.49:10 and Ezk.20:10-25
@ “all four of the commands listed in Acts 15:20 that Gentiles were specifically commanded to do are found in the “Book of the Law.”” But 1st in or before the Book of the Covenant (Gen.18:19; 26:5) making them Melkizedeq issues 1st & foremost with the Law of 1st Mention strength.
@ “Paul continued …” Paul also was at the cusp of this ‘change’, doing all things to save some.
@ “The list goes on and on” – So does the Melkizedeq evidence & proof.
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33] There are many more reasons that I can list, but I believe that these 10 reasons are sufficient to demonstrate the errors in this teaching. In conclusion, if and until these objections are addressed, there is simply no reason to believe that there is a distinction between the Book of the Covenant and the Book of the Law or that the Book of the Law is done away with. As Paul says, all scripture is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness … not just the parts of Scripture before Exodus 24:8.
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** AND – There are many more (Melkizedeq) reasons that I can and have listed – That prove “that there is a distinction between the Book of the Covenant and the Book of the Law [and] that the Book of the Law is done away with.” Just not the Melkizedeq parts that always stay in their original Melkizedeq Gen.1:1 thru Ex.24:11 position.
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Hey DW? Since your Levitical Mindset with the lack and rejection of better Melkizedeq knowledge requires you to champion & keep ‘all the Law’ (inclusive of the Book of the Law) – just so you won’t lie & be a ‘hypocrite’ and those that follow your incoherent line of Rabbinic style imagination rehash.
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Do you even have a fence on your roof? Do you sacrifice animals with fire? Do you even sacrifice? Oh yeah there’s no temple – BUT – Where is that proviso in Torah? And how is it that you treat your slaves? Oh and have you even ever found a real authentic Levitical Priest? ETC. – Honestly (If you are such? If you’re more than just your words?) Search it all out for yourself! – You get the picture!
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DW (you an in-fill-traitor who spied on TWR with the intent to instigate an assault and launch an attack; Who’s the father of that? Can you say; Say ton); does Jim Staley (himself a Melkizedeq Turncoat) really back you and know what you say or teach? If he does you both need to be Honest to the Truth & pull your heads out of the Levitical /Rabbinic dark place.
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PS – you can’t Uphold the Levitical Mindset and Book of the Law without upholding ‘physical circumcizion’ which is now Levitical; and here’s why; – Mr.’Christian’
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Tagged: torah, law, covenant, melchizedek, matthew nolan, david perry, priesthood, golden calf, exodus

 

New Cook Book

New Cook Book
 
“The Mastery of Matzah” – Has been published just in time for Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread! The Paperback through Amazon is $15.95 and The PDF Download available through Teshuvah Ministries for $12. Thank-you!

THE MASTERY OF MATZAH COOKBOOK

During a Passover season many years ago while living in a tipi in the mountains of North Idaho, Rebekah learned how to make matzah. Since then, she has become a matzah master. She has leaned on creativity and resourcefulness in order to make matzah in the variety of situations she and her family have endured. She has perfected the art of making this ancient flatbread and how to serve it to others. Now her tradition can be yours.

In this, her first cookbook learn the tips and tricks to making amazing matzah. Included are 3 Master Recipes and 21 ways to eat this ancient flatbread for an incredible Biblical Spring feast season!

Learn what unleavened bread represents, the spiritual mystery embedded in it and why Israel is commanded to eat this ancient bread called Matzah.

70 pages, full color, beautiful photography, 8.5 x 8.5 recipe book.

$12 for the PDF Download
$15.95 + shipping for the Paperback

Thank-you!
Ahavah,
Sir Isaac and Lady Rebekah


 

“The Passover of the Master”?

T4’s Wayward Solar Passover Billed as; “The Passover of the Master” – The vernal or spring equinox came on March 20 2016. April 3 2016 came 14 days later – Abib 14 ???

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even (beginning) is YHWH’s Passover.

Of the first month / moonth Not of the 1st equinox / Sunth

As much as I love & respect Matthew Nolan and Torah to the Tribes; and that at his request we have collaborated (in that he has asked for & borrowed from my research of Passover) – I cannot respect error. It pains me to have to admit, ID and expose the error. I cannot just turn a blind eye, give a pass to or just let error slide.
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Part 1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ8c-E6aG-w&feature=youtu.be
4/3/16
Matthew Nolan does a Great Job presenting the Melkizedeq Covenants and Priesthood; minus the new ‘usha’ word in place of ‘Yahshua’ – Yet there are many other topics and issues I have repeatedly tabled (with no response including ‘usha’) that he has yet to speak even 1 word in the direction to square with even 1 issue, starting from approx. June 2015.

The only thing I am left with at this point is to make others aware of this situation – Agree with the Truth and Point out the Untruth – Sadly very similar to the Truth, Error, Lie mix of the Christian Church, Messianics and Rabbinics, et al. mixed into the Religion of Judaism.

May Yah’s Torah be the standard in Truth

Morning to Morning Passover is but yet another layer of this Torah wayward position Matthew persists to entertain and employ – The entirety of his whole shtick consistently takes away from the integrity and acceptability of the Melkizedeq Covenant / Priesthood message needed for people to grasp and resonate with, let alone own the Truth of the Melkizedeq Concept as a total package as a whole.

As I have stated elsewhere “Torah is the Anchor – the Nevi’im (“Prophets”) or the Ketuvim (“Writings”) of the TaNaK along with the New Testament (And volumes, texts and notions outside the Bible) – Must agree with the Torah (Isa.8:20) and cannot be used to wrench Torah to another or alternate conclusion (Jn.7:16)”

https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/melkizedeq-otnt-passover-guide/

Matthew presents that in Jerusalem they were doing ‘even to even-ing’ – But; in the outlying countryside Morning to Morning – Morning to Morning is against the Genesis Creation Torah narrative. It also has problems with; Passover from Ex.12, Yom Kippur from Lev.23:32, etc. not to mention Yahshua’s Last Passover, His crucifixion and most notably the fact Him having to be rushed off the cross (3+pm) so as to not defile the Sabbath. If Morning starts the day, they had 15hrs – What’s the Rush? This makes the NT account of the crucifixion a contradiction of terms and an exercise in futility; and ‘void’ of Torah.

And; even tho Matthew Nolan has correctly ID’d that “the Bible is the dictionary for the Bible” meaning that the Bible will define itself and coined the phraseology of “Elevation vs Denigration” (Thankyou). He nevertheless then proceeds to use them at some points incongruently even illegitimately incoherent of what he just said a few phrases before – Example; Morning to Morning – Elevating the use of Talmud to verify country use vs city use, Denigrating/ignoring Torah ‘definition’, direction, instruction & evidence altogether.

Matthew Nolan even says “we are to reason together” Agreed; YES we ARE! – Yet it has been 6+mos with no reply in dialogue to these troublesome to outright ‘wayward’ off-the-mark issues. Let alone discussing them before he puts it out on ‘youtube’ worldwide.

As I have said in other articles; it is the same in Biblical Survival (that can result in error, harm or even ‘Spiritual Death’) as it is in Wilderness Survival (that can result in error, harm or even ‘Physical Death’). There are 2 main reasons why people get and stay lost; 1] No remembered awareness & 2] *Disregarding those things that would indicate direction. Sorry; But it is evident and true that some will do just exactly that, without consult or council willfully in both cases; while they influence others to come along – disregarding the very same. This is true at all levels of your chosen religious outlet!
(Acts 17:11)

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Part 2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzDRD5wWUGk&feature=youtu.be
4/4/16
Again pushing the Morning to Morning Passover against the Genesis Creation Torah narrative and even the Ex.12 actual account & the Lev.23:32 direct mention.
See – the post of Part 1.
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Part 3 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDefEZm4B4&feature=youtu.be
4/5/16
Thankyou Matthew for this look at the end times ‘Last Generation’ that needs to pull together again in the 1 Truth. Which can only happen as we rid ourselves of & correct error to follow Melkizedeq Royal Torah.

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This in validation;

Anonymous
“Thank you Dr. Perry for correctly bringing this to our attention. My family (3 sons and daughter – in – laws) were following Matthew. Personally, we love him and pray for him. But we need to care more about a persons Character than his comfort. As “un-comfortable” as this may be, we need to be followers of TRUTH and the TRUTH needs to be told. We need to check our spirits when we become offended when corrected. We are to love correction. I can’t thank you enough for speaking the truth in love, it has guided our family back onto the correct path. Blessings!”

Reply ↓

Thankyou – for having eyes to see, ears to hear & a mind to discern btx right & almost right, that can formulate an original thot.

Hallelu-Yah – Yah’s Esteem; DrDave

PS –
This just in 4.24.16 (1st day of UnlBrd); as of Shabbat April 22/23 (the normal) Passover
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I just found out yesterday (Shabbat April 23) actually visiting that group that  John Flores has independently led his ‘Remnant of Truth Congregation’ down this very similar T4 situation of wayward solar reckoning / full moon disregarding of Passover. And tho not Solar (yet?) Ted Wilson of ‘Seekers of Yahweh Ministries’ has even a different take – against all the NT evidence; that of denying Yahshua’s last Passover as being in fact a ‘Passover’ – even tho the NT directly says so. {And this just in 4.25.16 – Chris & Rebekah Garvin of ‘TeshuvahMinistries‘ claim the same position following Aurthur Bailey (and others) who denying the Melkizedeq Priesthood also denies Yahshua’s last Passover as being in fact a ‘Passover’} Please pray for them (all), the 1’s they influence and our own selves. We are to come to the same Truth (the fact is there is only 1!) not fragment to our own ways.

I am disappointed but I should not be surprized ??? As I have said the closer you get to the top the more fierce the winds are gonna blow.

Melkizedeq OT/NT Passover Guide

Melkizedeq OT/NT Passover Guide
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Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of Yah, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you
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We have all heard this, But do not normally perceive this as a Melkizedeq statement – Yet in Hebrew, Kingdom is Malkuth, Yah is the Melek/King, Righteousness is His Zedeq – Melkizedeq – Add to this the fact that Yahshua (stating this) is our Melkizedeq High Priest
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Torah is the Anchor – the Nevi’im (“Prophets”) or the Ketuvim (“Writings”) of the TaNaK along with the New Testament – Must agree with the Torah (Isa.8:20) and cannot be used to wrench Torah to another conclusion (Jn.7:16) – The Bible reports; Truth and the partial to non-performance of it – Hide, Hair, Warts and all. Its not about perfect people keeping or even doing things ‘perfectly’ let alone correctly or consistently. Example Passover (Days of UnlBrd; The count to Shavout and even Shavuot itself, etc.) Only YHWH and His Son Yahshua are ‘perfect’. We must follow their example by the ‘Ruach’/ Set-Apart Spirit.
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Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even (beginning) is YHWH’s Passover.
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Ex.12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats :6 And ye shall keep it (alive) up *until* (not inclusive of) the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the *evening* [beginning (going to night) of the 14th]. The following is Error! “[afternoon (3pm?) of the 14th – Error Belief]” By Ex.12:29; this is 15hrs too late!
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Ex.12:29 And it came to pass, that at *midnight* (Abib 14 – Ex.12:6; 12; 14) YHWH smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
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Simple – Where’d they get the Blood? – Itemize the Events to *midnight* – To be Passed Over!!! – Leave nothing till Morning (the Same Abib 14) – Working backwards to the very beginning of Abib 14 – Eat the Lamb, Apply the Blood, Roast the Lamb (by fire), Catch the Blood, Kill the Lamb, Bring the Lamb; at the beginning ‘even’/ even-ing of Abib 14; some 6 to 6+ hours before Midnight of the same Abib 14th. **It’s not rocket science folks!**
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Then after morning still in their homes (still the 14th) – They get the command to leave (still the 14th) – They gather their belongings (still the 14th) – They loot the Egyptians into the afternoon (still the 14th) – They assemble by Tribes, Clans & Families towards Sunset ‘even’ (still the 14th) – Then they leave as the Sun is going down (Sundown) the beginning ‘even’ing now Abib 15th; just like Torah says! (Ex.12:42; 13:3-4, Num.33:3 / Dt.16:1)
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Ex.12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even (beginning), ye shall eat UnlBrd, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even (ending). – (8 days)
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Lev.23:5 = Ex.12:14 – ‘Day’ – vs – Lev.23:6 = Ex.12:15 – *Days* – too simple; 1+7=8
14th Passover ‘1 Day’ vs UnlBrd 7 Days – *15, 16, 17, 18 ,19, 20, *21 – as per Ex.12:18
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Note; there are 2 evens/even-ings for each day – 1 beginning – 1 ending; ‘between the evens’ 1 ends/ 1 starts as Beyn Ha’Arbayim would suggest like the boxcar couplings of a train. See – https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/beyn-haarbayim/
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Lev.23:5; Passover Abib 14 is Not a Shabbat/Sabbath – by v:6 Abib 15, 1st day of UnlBrd is. And the last day (the 21st) of this 7 day Mow`ed/Feast is – Totaling 8 Full Days – 1+7.
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And don’t forget – Not for Israel only! – Ex.12:38 And a mixed multitude
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Ex.12:41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day – ?; Gen.15:13, 16 in the 4th Generation on the selfsame day? On Abib 14 ?
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This is the only Melkizedeq Passover in the Torah before Israel Broke the Melkizedeq Cov’t (Ex.32) and was thrust under the Levitical Priesthood Num.3:12.
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This is the only Melkizedeq Passover in the Bible save Yahshua haMashiach / the Messiah the Melkizedeq High Priest administering His last Passover Meal before His Sacrificial crucifixion Passover Death that same Abib 14 afternoon.
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Note – The only Melkizedeq Passover in the Torah; Only had; Lamb, UnlBrd & Bitter Herbs (Ex.12:8). We can only assume an Un-Fermented Drink; Water to Juice ??? – Even Milk! (Gen.18:8) – Not specified in Torah.
See – https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/to-you-who-say/
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It is of note that the Famed ‘Gamaliel’ (Shaul/Paul’s mentor) states in the Mishnah; – “Whoever has not said (explained) these 3 things at Passover has not fulfilled his obligation” – So by Gamaliel – I have done so – Yet; Gamaliel did not mention the Melkizedeq link to Passover from Torah.
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The Israelites of Ex.12 did Not have any of the Modern additions – No; Eggs, Candy, 4 Questions, 4 reactions, 4 ‘cups’, ‘Maggid’, Dayenu Song, Korech, Charoset, Afikomen, Nice Seder Plates, Wine Glasses, Ornate Flatware, etc. or Elijah’s place or; Even the ancient Melkizedeq ‘Bread & Wine’ (Gen.14:18) or the equally ancient Melkizedeq Footwashing (Gen.18:4) – Added (ie Included) by Yahshua at His last Passover.
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Torah at Ex.12:26-28, Does command we teach our children the significance & meaning of Passover. But not in the way the Rabbis try to say in the Talmud concerning the ‘wise, wicked, simple & ignorant’ child.
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Also Torah only knows Abib/Aviv as the name of the 1st month – Nisan is the bare-breasted pagan fertility goddess name adopted by the Jews during their 70yr Babylonian Captivity.
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NT/NC Opening
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Lk.22:7 “Then came the day (not days) of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.” The confusion comes from Ex.12:18 (to eat the Passover! – Mat.26:17, Mar.14:12)
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Some argue “it’s the same UnlBrd meal” – ??? No! It is Not! Passover is the only meal with Lamb! And any Lamb leftover was to be burned that 14th Morning – Ex.12:10 – Remember?
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Some argue the Greek ‘artos’ only means ‘leavened bread’ – They need to study the Greek Septuagint; for they will find that ‘artos’ can also mean ‘UN-leavened bread’.
See – https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/artos-ie-bread/
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Jn.13:1 Now before (Minutes/an Hour …?) the feast of the passover, **when Yahshua knew that his hour was come** … He did die that same Abib 14 day (afternoon) of that evening that began the 24hr evening to evening Genesis ‘Day’ that of Abib 14th Passover.
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Some insist that He died at 3pm the 14th (Probably true enough) “Precisely” (Oo0o) when the “High Priest” (who had torn his robe and defiled himself – Mat.26:65, Mk.14:63 – So as to not be fit to officiate anything this Passover) said about the temple lamb slaughter ready for an Abib 15 passover meal (a breach of Torah) – ‘it is finished’ (might be true enough as well) – The problem is; there is no command or instruction to do so from Torah. And that’s the point; Torah had not been and was not completely followed by the ruling religious Jews (Mat.23:2-3)! And such is it still today; most Messianics (and even some Christians) still following (at certain points) the wayward notions and enactments of the Jews.
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So; this opens the distinct prospect that even at the moment of Yahshua’s Death – He was mocking (in the sense of mimic) what became the Torah wayward Religion of the Jews as He had thru out His entire life; starting with the turning of water into wine 1st miracle.
Hint – the ‘Jars’ He used were purification jars – to be pure without the hint of ‘wine’.
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The point is and always has been adherence to Torah. Yahshua precisely followed YHWH’s Torah, including Passover; including His Last Passover as per Torah & the NT/NC state.
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Sent to Prepare Passover
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Lk.22:8 he sent Peter and John, saying, *Go and prepare us the passover*, that we may eat.
Lk.22:10 And he (Yahshua) said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. (man .. bearing a pitcher of water – an Essene)
Lk.22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where *I shall eat the passover* with my disciples?
Lk.22:12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there *make ready*.
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Seder Order
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Lk.22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and *they made ready the passover*.
Lk.22:14 And when the hour (in the beginning evening) was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. (Mat 26:20, Mk.14:17)
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Betrayed
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Lk.22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me (is one of the twelve) is with me on the table.
Lk.22:22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed! -(Mat 26:21-23, Mk.14:18-21)
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Jn.13:2 And *supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas
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G1173 – δεῖπνον – deipnon / dipe’-non; From the same as G1160; dinner, that is, the chief meal (usually in the evening {that begins the Gen. day}): – *feast, supper.
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Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him;
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**Jn.13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. (Gen.3:15)
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**Jn.13:21 When Yahshua had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
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Jn.13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Yahshua unto him, What you do, do quickly. (vs – Jn.13:2)
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After Judas
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Lk.22:15 And he (*Yahshua the Melkizedeq High Priest* – Ps.110) said unto them, **With desire I have desired to eat this !!Passover!! with you before I suffer:**
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New Covenant Confirming Meal
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Mat 26:26 **And as they were eating** (Mk.14:22, Lk.22:15, ), Yahshua took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (Mat.26:26-28, Mk.14:22-27; Lk 22:17-20/1Cor.11:23-26)
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This said to be 3rd Cup (ushering in the New ‘Melkizedeq’ Covenant) – Is the Cup of Redemption (Ex.6:6)
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Caution
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1Cor.11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of Messiah, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Master. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eat and drink unworthily, eat and drink damnation to himself, not discerning Yahshua’s body.
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<**Footwashing v>
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Jn.13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (1Jn.2:7, 2Jn.1:6 )
Jn.13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
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Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom. (Mar 14:22-25, Lk.22:16)
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Mat 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
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Curious Statement – Lk.22:32 But I (Yahshua) have prayed for thee (Peter v:31), that thy faith fail not: and *when thou art converted*, strengthen thy brethren.
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This indicates that Peter was Not ‘converted’ even at this Passover & Footwashing (???)
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Note – *Footwashing
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Jn.13:4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
Jn.13:5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Jn.13:6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Master, dost thou wash my feet?
Jn.13:7 Yahshua answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
Jn.13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Yahshua answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Jn.13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Master, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
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Jn.13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Jn.13:13 Ye call me Master and Adonai: and ye say well; for so I am.
Jn.13:14 If I then, your Sovereign and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet.
Jn.13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Jn.13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his master; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Jn.13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
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Jn.13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. Gen.3:15
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After All – Sing Hymn
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Mat 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
Mat 26:31 Then says Yahshua to them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
Mat 26:32 But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee. – Mk.14:26-28
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After washing Judas feet?
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The only proviso I found is – This narrative of John is there But indicates a different order
**Jn.13:10 Yahshua saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
**Jn.13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
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Suggests earlier during the meal
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Jn.13:26 Yahshua answered, he it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Jn.13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Yahshua unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
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Note – Melkizedeq Footwashing – Added by Yahshua at His last Melkizedeq Passover is not an ‘addition’ but an inclusion of the previously ignored original (Gen.18) – it is Part & Parcel to the inaugurating of the Melkizedeq New Covenant (Jer.31:31-33/Heb.8:8-10) with the Bread and Wine also not an ‘addition’ but an inclusion of itself a previously ignored original (Gen.14). Making Yahshua’s last Passover an ongoing Yearly; the New Covenant Confirming Meal – ‘Do This in Remembrance of Me’. The ‘Mediator’ of the New Covenant.
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By Rev.15:3 We will sing the ‘Song’ of Moses AND the ‘Lamb’ – Both Melkizedeq ‘Mediators’ of their respective Melkizedeq Cov’ts – 1 at Sinai / 1 at Passover on the way to Galgotha.
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Jn.13:7 Yahshua answered and said unto him (Peter v:6), **What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.**
Jn.13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Yahshua answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Jn.13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Sovereign, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
Jn.13:10 Yahshua saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
Jn.13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
Jn.13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, **Know ye what I have done to you?**
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**What I do you know not now; but you shall know hereafter.
**Know you what I have done to you?
**For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you
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We must realize that at no point of all the subsequent Passover celebrations cerebrated by the Jews between Torah to the present; None of them included the ‘Bread & Wine’ of Gen.14 or ‘Footwashing’ of Gen.18 – Altho Christian and Messianic Passover observances can include the ‘Bread & Wine’ and/or ‘Footwashing’ because they are recounted in the NT – But – whatever they include or realize – They have no inclining of the Melkizedeq significance.
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They (just like ‘we’) could have known – Had they remembered Gen.18 – Had they simply remembered Gen.18 is under the Melkizedeq Priesthood. It is evident that Peter was at some point ‘converted’ and did / reflected to make that connection (along with the Melkizedeq significance of Gen.14) – Read Ex.19:5-6 compared to 1Ptr.2:9; ‘Royal/Kingly – Melek Priesthood’. And Paul did too – Read Heb.7:12 ‘change of the Priesthood’ ie The reversion back to the Original Melkizedeq Priesthood before the Covenant Transgression of Ex.32.
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Yahshua makes it clear to Peter (and to us) that we have ‘No Part’ of this Saviour – Son of YHWH – Yahshua the Melkizedeq High Priest – Covenant Go’el Kinsmen (Family) Redeemer – Spotless Sin Sacrifice Lamb of the Most High Melek; Yahwah unless/until we submit & participate in this Melkizedeq Passover on Passover according to Torah Abib 14 & the Melkizedeq Passover ‘Footwashing’ of Gen.18. – “You have ‘No Part’ of Me” – Remember?
Note! This includes the ‘Bread & Wine’ (Gen.14) ‘Body & Blood’ ratifying the New Covenant ie Salvation itself!.
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The only way we have any part of the Melkizedeq Priesthood of Yahshua haMeshiach – Son of the Most High YHWH – the Melkizedeq High Priest & Covenant Go`el Kinsmen Redeemer, the ‘Melek’ King of YHWH’s ‘Zedeq’ Righteousness (just like Peter) it becomes clear is thru this New Covenant Passover ‘Footwashing’ connecting thru Passover as laid out by Lev.23:5 and that laid out by Passover Ex.12 – back to the ‘Oath’ of Gen.12 and that thru the ‘Bread & Wine’; *meal* of Gen.14 and the Gen.15 Covenant and its Covenant Confirming Meal of Gen.18. And the fact that Abraham did prophesy (Gen.22) that YHWH would provide for Himself a Lamb; that included ‘Footwashing’ tying it (and more) all together. Hallelu-Yah!
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Yahshua had to exactly fulfill everything to the smallest detail (YHWH’s Laws not Man’s remix) to be that spotless Lamb of/for YHWH; From Torah thru the New Testament (Jn.7:16) – To be that perfect Passover, All in All; Once for All; Spotless Sin Sacrifice – Melkizedeq Covenant Go`el Kinsmen Redeemer. Bringing Forward, Installing, Blood Ratifying and Confirming the Jer.31 New Covenant; at Passover. Blessed be the Name of Yahwah thru Yahshua the Melkizedeq High Priest among us (1Ptr.2:9) – May it be So – Amein
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See – https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/the-rightly-dividing-point/
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PS – You may want to copy and send this to errant teachers
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It has come to my attention that you teach the error that Yahshua’s Passover was not a Passover even in the face of NT evidence supporting the evidence of Torah.
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Simple do a timeline of all the factors of Ex.12 (the only Melkizedeq Passover in Torah) and compare them with the NT accounts and direct verbiage that Yahshua kept Passover according to Torah (the only Melkizedeq Passover in the NT).
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So you have it, here’s mine – “Ex.12:29 And it came to pass, that at *midnight* (Abib 14 – Ex.12:6; 12; 14) YHWH smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
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Simple – Where’d they get the Blood? – Itemize the Events to *midnight* – To be Passed Over!!! – Leave nothing till Morning (the Same Abib 14) – Working backwards to the very beginning of Abib 14 – Eat the Lamb, Apply the Blood, Roast the Lamb (by fire), Catch the Blood, Kill the Lamb, Bring the Lamb; at the beginning ‘even’/ even-ing of Abib 14; some 6 to 6+ hours before Midnight of the same Abib 14th. **It’s not rocket science!**
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Then after morning still in their homes (still the 14th) – They get the command to leave (still the 14th) – They gather their belongings (still the 14th) – They loot the Egyptians into the afternoon (still the 14th) – They assemble by Tribes, Clans & Families towards Sunset ‘even’ (still the 14th) – Then they leave as the Sun is going down (Sundown) the beginning ‘even’ing now Abib 15th; just like Torah says! (Ex.12:42; 13:3-4, Num.33:3 / Dt.16:1)”
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Then itemize Yahshua’s last ‘meal’ (Passover – Mt.26, Mk.14, Lk.22, Jn.13, 1Cr.) according to your Ex.12 model – Agreeing that Yahshua had to fulfill YHWH’s Torah not man’s version of it.
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https://torahwithoutrabbinics.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/melkizedeq-otnt-passover-guide/

 

Melchizedek Pesach

Melchizedek Pesach
 
A Spring Feast Handbook unlike any other – a non-traditional Melchizedek Pesach Seder Haggadah emphasizing how the Spring Feasts pointed to the Messiah and how he fulfilled them. Included is a guide for the Melchizedek Seder host…
 

Graft Dodgers

Graft Dodgers
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Rom.11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
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The question is ‘come in’ to what? Israel! The House of Judah’s ie The Jews’ original point of origin ‘own olive tree’ of all 12 tribes + converts; that we all are to be ‘graft’-ed into thru Yahshua
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John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
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Who are these ‘other sheep’ that ‘also I [Yahshua] must bring’?
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They are the ‘divorced’ 10 tribe House of Israel + converts
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Now the question becomes – Will you ‘graft’ into this ‘flock’? Will you be of this obedient ‘sheep’ flock that ‘hear [His Covenant] voice’?
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Ex.19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant,…
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Will you ‘graft’ into this ‘flock’? Will you be of this obedient ‘sheep’ flock that ‘hear [His] voice’? That seek to keep the Covenant or will you be a ‘Graft Dodger’?
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Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of ‘God’, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of [Yah’s] righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of [YHWH].
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Only Genuine Authentic ‘sheep’ will ‘obey [His] voice’ and ‘keep [the] covenant’ – Genuine Authentic ‘goats’ will not
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Mat.25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
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Which side are you on? The obedient ‘sheep’ flock or the flock of the Goat ‘Graft Dodger’?
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The Israelites started out being the Melkizedeq Sheep obedient flock But broke the Covenant and became the Levitical disobedient ‘goat’ flock. (Num.3:12)
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Over time (15 centuries +) the Plan ‘B’ Levitical code was thot to be and accepted as the standard of YHWH’s righteousness. When Plan ‘A’ has always been the Melkizedeq Priesthood – the original perfect will of YHWH. Yah’s point of return {Heb.7:12}
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The Christian Church (Both Sunday & Sabbath only) – say and sing songs that state ‘I surrender’, ‘Have your way’, ‘I give you my all’, ‘Speak your truth’, etc. – But they do Not follow the Truth – Exactly like Mat.23:2-3 & Rom.10:2-3 state. Read it for yourself.
They’ll quote ‘snippet’ cookie-cuts around, over, sidestepping – instead of ‘the Truth’. Even their own of yesteryear speak to this situation;
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Discernment is not simply differentiating between right and wrong; but includes discerning to know the difference between right and almost right. (Adapted from ~ C.H. Spurgeon)
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Yet Spurgeon did not go far enough to fully ID let alone correct the situation.
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We need to reach-out to and reach the ‘sheep’ that are searching for Truth trying to find their way but choking, gagging and drowning in a sea of ‘goat-milk’ blend mix of the ‘almost truth’ message of the Christian Church ‘graft dodgers’.
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And then; Woh be to them if they make the jump finding ‘The (so-called) Hebrew Roots’ of the Christian Faith. More like the Jewish / Rabbinic version of the Christian assumption. Another variety of the ‘almost truth’ *goat* message ‘graft dodgers’.
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Vanilla, Chocolate, Strawberry, etc. Anyone? With the little error & lie sprinkles on Top?