Lunar Sabbath Decisively Refuted

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Isa.58:1 “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my
people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.”

Rom.1:20 “For the invisible things … are clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made, … so that they are without excuse:”

1st … And ALWAYS … On Every topic you could name or will ever face … If the foundation is faulty so is the structure (Mt.7:13-27); no matter how eloquent, academic, reasoned or grand. If an opulent yet sturdy ‘alternate code yet functional’ beach cliff estate falls to the shore it overlooks with the cliff it is on; it is still trash. Yah’s Torah is our foundation …Any theological doctrine or construct must agree with Torah (Isa.8:20)…to rundown every Lunar Sabbath ‘rabbit trail’ is needless, tedious, futile and a huge waste of time. A much used tactic of HaSatan (Gen.3:1). Better in every way to inspect the foundational premise; quicker to do; easier to understand.

2nd …The Term ‘Lunar Sabbath’ is by and large an ‘oxy-moron’ … Biblically; all days are governed by the rotation around the Sun, hence all days are ‘solar’ days (including the 7th day Sabbath) and that grouping of days we call a ‘week’, hence a/are ‘solar weeks’ and can not be divided intelligently from that fact (Jer.33:20). Further; the contrived quote-unquote ‘lunar’ fiction calendar of these ‘Lunarists’ is not the ‘lunar’ calendar of the Bible, Torah, Scripture, Old or New Testament, Talmud, etc. of the ancient, period or modern Israeli/ites.

Jer.33:20 “Thus saith YHWH; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant
of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;” (Rom.1:20)

You wouldn’t even see a moon without the Sun. The moon itself is totally dependent reflecting the light of the Sun. The Moon rotates around the Earth which itself rotates around; both rotating in front of the Sun’s fixed position. It is the Sun and/or the lack of it that governs both the cycle of day and night, the ‘moon’ can not govern either one of these issues. It is blatantly apparent by the dark moon, that if we had no moon at all we would still have day and night. ‘Season’ is the only place in this verse where the ‘moon’ could possibly come in play; but even then it cannot be to the exclusion of the Sun as the sentence structure emphatically identifies.

3rd … Lunarists are leaning very hard to ‘moon worship’ … giving enormous weight and ‘worth’ to the cycles of the moon; enough to vandalize and violate the Torah text that all but ignore the cycles and ‘worth’ of the Sun. Lunarists seem to be academically agile enough to avoid even reassign obvious value-worth details of the truth. Enough to abandon everything normative of the Sabbath and Feastdays they themselves once held to (Prv.10:8, Jude1:3) and are more than willing to split hairs over definitions of specific words and verses to do it.

The Lunar Sabbath groups infer, act as if or out right state; that the moon controls everything. They tend to ignore the fact that while the moon does weight in on monthly cycles and on mow`edim; it is the Sun that governs what is a day (light and dark), how long the light part is (and thereby the dark part), what are the 7 days of a week, what is a year and with the stars, what are the seasons. By example; does the moon make summer hot? Does the moon make winter cold? Does the moon make spring and fall temperate? No; it is the Sun!

Gen 1:14 “ And Yah said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasonsH4150 (mow’ed), and for days, and years:” (This includes the stars v:16)

Jer 33:20 Thus saith Yah; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their seasonH6256 (eth);

Notice the Hebrew words translated ‘season’ is not the same.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of Yah is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of Yah is manifest in them; for Yah hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Yahhead; so that they are without excuse:

First off the 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th Luniarists seem to ignore the fact that the moon did not even come into existence till the 4th day (Gen.1:14-19). So how could there possibly be a pre 1st day (Gen.1:5) – on what; a zero day? But that is exactly what they try to pander – so that there was a 7th day (Gen.2:3) but an 8th date of that first moonth. Which presents this quandary – if the moon is to govern what is a week; how could that possibly be when it was created on the 4th day but Yah declares the 7th day three days later?

These Lunar Sabbath groups are a fast rising invasive new phenomenon not easily swayed by the details of the truth; dividing friend, family and congregation … like no other force outside the Messianic circle … be it atheists, Sunday keepers, Sabbath only keepers, Orthodox Jewry etc., or forces infighting within the Messianic circle, are particularly caustic in a very uniquely potent brand of logic. They act like Torah Sabbath/Feast Keepers, saying and using most of the same terms and phrases … but these terms and phrases they use though sounding the same do not define the same observance. For instance; Sabbath for them no longer means the 7th day of the Solar Genesis week; what we know as the modern ‘Saturday’ or more accurately Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. However this Lunar understanding would track with what is normal approximately 7 to 10 cycles or so; roughly every 10th month or so their week would coincide with everyone else’s being Sun thru Sat. i.e. Day 1 thru 7.

They (the Lunarists) would have little to no hope to foist this sophistry outside of the parameter of Messianic Torah Feast Keepers; hence their target group … similar to cancer rebelling against its own body. Gen.1 accounts for all days of the 1st week. They (the Lunarists) say that the Gen.2:3 ‘7th day’ is that of the week but is not the 7th day/date but the 8th day i.e. ‘date’ (the 8th) of this first Genesis month; starting with a non-count ‘0/void’ day? No doubt they sincerely against the text think this is so. They even go so far as to deny a ‘week’ cycle being in the Bible at all, only recognizing ‘days’ (actually ‘dates’) of a/the month. Ask yourself. Who’s lying? Who’s making a false presentation of the facts; The Sovereign Eternal YHWH? or the Lunarists?

Satan seeks to deceive the whole world … what part of whole are you not part of? 1st and foremost Satan wants to sever us; any of us from Yah’s Covenant and the Sabbath bond-sign to His people. They (the Lunarists) have allowed this to happen as much as any Sunday keeper with no hope but to accept their same reward … and this they seek to export to others … other Messianic/Torah Observant … you! Whose benefit would this be to? The enemy has got them (the Lunarists) thinking that they and their groups are the ones with this ‘special Lunar knowledge’, discovered gems and pearls of forgotten wisdom … a matrix of ‘fool’s gold’ that only makes sense to them. They reassign titles and values to agree with their skewed view. They (the Lunarists) will tell you; it’s ‘so simple’. Most things are ‘simple’ when you abandon the normal parameters i.e. thieves don’t have to work ‘so simple’, bums don’t have to do anything ‘so simple’, mooches don’t have to pay ‘so simple’, psychos don’t have to face reality ‘so simple’, religionists just disregard or reassign the texts that don’t agree ‘so simple’, etc.

They want you to know the ‘worth-ship’ of the Moon to the exclusion and meaning worth of the Sun (Gen.1:14). If this assessment is correct and/or mostly correct; the Bible clearly condemns this. Satan can and is clearly using this on several fronts to attack; trying to cause you to not do what you are to do while causing you to do what you are to not do; using this on several fronts on the ones witnessing this fiasco; from the churched to the un-churched from among the believers to the atheists. This includes their own families and that of others.

Isa.40:21 “Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from
the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?” (Rom.1:20)

By Scripture the cycle of the week is 7 days there is no other; there are no punctuating non-count days … ever! The ancients did not follow the error of the ‘Lunarists’, nor did they abandon it only to lament at any point to return to the error of the ‘Lunarists’. The moderns (except Lunarists) do not follow nor have ever followed this error for a very good reason; very simply the cycle of a 7 day successive week has never changed.

The whole point of being deceived is you don’t perceive it. Many times by their own words it is clear that at one point they did. They have been sold a bill of goods, a lie that many of them now defend and present to others to their mutual peril … and at that not very well … especially when the fundamentals are studied. Regretfully; ask them how they would calculate the 7 Sabbaths to ‘Shavuot’/’Pentecost’, and watch the inventive maneuvers.

Sabbath to these Lunar Sabbath proponents, because of their cryptic calendar understandings; can now be any set day of the ‘7’s’ (week- Hebrew <shabuwa`>, Greek <sabbaton>) of a particular month i.e. all 3rd days (Tues.) next month all 4th days (Wed.), etc. This cryptography is accomplished by choosing to reason that “New Moon” can be ‘either’ 1or 2 days, (itself unbiblical) and that these up to 2 days are not counted as weekdays nor days of a week (again unbiblical); only days/dates of a month (again unbiblical). They actually state that the 7th day of the first creation week, was in reality the 8th day of the first creation month sighting the (supposed) Sun/Moon conjunction (that had not yet been created) before the Creation of the 1st day of the week (now actually the 2nd moonth date to the Lunarists) that both ‘God’ and Moses forgot to tell us about. So now this 1st day of the creation week is now actually the 2nd date of the creation month/moonth, with this Genesis first 7th Day Sabbath of Creation (Gen.2:3) now actually (to the Lunarists) the 8th day of the 1st month/moonth of creation. This coupled with their re-defined terms and values gets more convoluted from here. Example;
[Note; They will swear up and down that their calendar is ‘different’ but what they evidence is exactly this!]

Remember; the Lunarists say that all weekly Sabbaths from your Bible are on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th … They are tenaciously adamant that this is and can be no other. In any confrontation, have them write out the math.

Legend … ‘nm’- new moon (in blue) … weekly 7th Day Sabbath in red … ‘-’ = next cycle of 7 days/the week.
Normal – Date- Adar: 27th, 28th, 29th,( ) Abib:1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th … [30th) added to some months]
Lunar – Weekday … 5 6 7- ,( )<nm>‘0’- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7- … [2nd ‘0’), a 2nd non-count day]
Normal Week cycle… 5 6 7- nm> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7- 1 (Note; Adar 30th would be a 1st day
(Sun.) with the 1st date of Abib ‘nm’ a 2nd weekday or a ‘Mon.’)… with some ‘Lunar’ months having 2/two ‘0’ count weekdays. This they will avoid to show in print (Prv.14:8), or validate as so in any way, but this is the only way they could set their alternate Sabbath Days to always be the 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th of any given moonth.

There is a lesser known group of Lunar Sabbath proponents that observe an alternate month date and weekly Sabbath day counting of 7, 14, 21, 28 with their ‘New Moon’ being on the 1st date of the month/1st day of the week Initially this would seem to satisfy some of the objections listed in this presentation … however … a similar problem exists in the tracking of the month date and weekday sequencing that similarly again must always (without exception) produce the/their Sabbath on the 7th, 14 th, 21 th and 28 th of any given moonth. Both groups inherently insure themselves a ‘0’ weekday count; one at the end; the other at the start of every moonth.

The actual Hebraic/Jewish “Orthodox” Calendar which is lunar based is 354 +/- days long with 12 months (except for a leap 13th month ‘Adar Bet’) that contain both 29 to 30 days. Both 29 day months and 28 day months do not divide equally into such a year; hence the addition of days to some months … and in that the 2 New Moon ‘rub’ that gives way to the similar ‘void’ day error of the 29 day Lunar guys … that of an inventive ‘void’- non-count and/or re-set weekday count sequencing or most notably; the outright existence denial of a ‘week’ (7 day or not) even in your Bible. Anyone can see it would be real handy for the lunist not to have that pesky detail to deal with. If I was a lunist I wouldn’t want to have to explain how it could be the 7th Day (Saturday/Sabbath … even worse a Tuesday or Wednesday, etc.) and jump to the (or in some cases to another) 1st Day (Sunday) 3 to 4 days later depending on which brand of lunist your talk’n to? Then try to prove that position from your Bible?; Against the Bible?; Against the plain text of Genesis?

Note: the “leap month” of ‘Adar II/Adar Bet’ is added to the third, sixth, eight, eleventh, fourteenth, seventeenth and nineteenth year of every nineteen year period because of the loss of 207 days tracking the Solar calendar within these said 19 years. The lunar Month/Date collating with the solar Week/Day sequencing track of this alternate group of Lunar Sabbath (7th, 14 th, 21 th and 28 th of any given moonth) proponents; would look something like this;

Legend … ‘nm’- new moon (in blue) … weekly 7th Day Sabbath in red … ‘-’ = next cycle of 7 days/the week.
Normal – Date- Adar: 27th,28th, 29th, 30th Abib:1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th … [30th) added to some months]
Lunar – Weekday … 6 7- 1/0 2/0 <nm> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7- … [2nd ‘0’), a 2nd non-count day]
Normal Week cycle… 5 6 7- 1 nm> 2 3 4 5 6 7- 1 … (Note; See above calendar)

The problem is now compounded. How could it possible be that what is to start the month is doubled (2 New Moon days) and at that to include the last date (the 30th) of the preceding month … that ended? To start a ‘new month’? … Hence ‘new moon/th’? The Bible states; “in the beginning” of your months (Num.10:10) NOT ending. This is most chilling, I have spoken to a past friend that dabbled in ‘Satanism’; the prime directive is to ‘reverse’ everything … write it backwards, say it backwards, read it backwards, etc. This ‘new’ moon(th) 30th Lunarian Schizophrenic reasoning alone is against Scripture … an impossibility that has that same earmark.

Lunarists clearly are transgressing and are severed from the Sabbath and the Feastsdays of the Covenant; as much as any Sunday keeper. This month Sabbath is on all Wed. next month it’s on all Thurs., etc. is very clearly wrong … and this calculated (some months) from twin New Moon ‘0’ non-count-weekdays, to calculate Feasts? This defies logic in and out of the Biblical arena. Biblically all things are to make sense; (Isa.1:18, Isa.28:10); the reassigned value-worth of terms and the foundational tenants of Lunar Sabbath flat do not!

The idea of ‘New Moon’ ‘non-count’ ‘0/zero start weekday’ apologized in any way, by itself is a clear violation of Bible; it is ‘vain reasoned imagination’ … clearly a Schizophrenic (Prv.15:2, Rom.1:22) secession of normal rational cognitive thought ; a cerebral exercise breaching the solar successive nature of a day and a week. They have taken leave of their intellect and common sense; subjectively inviting you to the same!

Jer.33:20 “Thus saith YHWH; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant
of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;” Gen.1:14

Clearly what they (the Lunarists)) link to as original foundation does not offer a foundation to the imagination of Lunar Sabbath at all. Only by wedging their thoughts and words into the text can they wrench the facade of a footing. Letting the Bible define the Bible will dispel this apparition in short order. However if this is ignored or reassigned, the error of Lunar Sabbath will only continue to deceive, morph, grow and fester.

Ex.12:2 “This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the
first month of the year to you.”

This verse clearly does not mean nor stipulate the beginning of Days or Weeks reset to coincide monthly from other than Gen.1 … ever! Anything else is a huge assumption … a leap or more accurately a lapse of the instruction. This first of the solar year, first of the lunar month does not reset the succession of solar days nor with it solar weeks … days are not/can not be calculated by the moon neither can the grouping of them we call a week. The moon can only give us a lunar date not a solar day … or the succession of them i.e. a ‘week’.

1Sam.20:5 “And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field
unto the third day at even.”

Doesn’t look too obedient or worshipful does it? King David must not have been a good ‘Lunarist’.

Ps 81:3 “Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.”

Ps 81:3 is the only place in the entire Bible you will find ‘new moon’ and ‘feast’ in the same sentence. This can only be the 1st day of the 7th month, the Lev. 23:24 Feast of “Trumpets”. This also does not give multiple choice … ‘day’ not ‘days’ of ‘new moon’ feasting. New Moon is never called; only alluded to as a ‘feast’ and at that only in conjunction with Feast of “Trumpets” at Lev. 23:24. New Moon is not so much as named by YHWH or Moses as such (a feast i.e. an appointed time) in the Lev. 23 instruction. Nor is ‘New Moon’ ever mentioned in any of the Covenants. New Moon is however a Melchizedek Priesthood issue in that ‘Joseph’ knew to blow the shofar even while in Egypt directly having bearing on the Genesis account.

Ps.81:4 “For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the Elohim of Jacob.5 This he
ordained in Joseph for a testimony (<`eduwth> witness), when he went out
through the land of Egypt: where I heard a language that I understood not.”

Num.10:10 “Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months (‘New Moon’), ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt
offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for
a memorial before your Elohim: I am YHWH your Elohim.”

As clearly as can be stated; ‘New Moon’ is a Memorial, it is not a ‘Feast’ in the same sense or class of ‘Appointed Times’ specified in/at Ex.23/Lev.23. It (‘New Moon’) is not a Sabbath, just as Passover can fall on any day including a 7th Day Sabbath but itself is also not a Sabbath; it is a Memorial (Ex 12:14) … as a point of interest Passover is also not mentioned in Ex.23 … part of the Book of the Covenant (Ex.19:5-24:8). Passover is only mentioned out side of this context. Passover is Melchizedek Priesthood law (Ex.12:14 vs. Ex.40:13-15) in the sense of a precept …a prescriptive ‘memorial’ ordinance … ‘New Moon’ falls in this same category.

Jos.5:10 “And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the Passover on
the fourteenth day of the month at even <`ereb> in the plains of Jericho.
11 And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the
Passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day. 12 And
the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the
land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of
the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

Lev.23:5 “In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is Yahweh’s Passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread
unto Yahweh: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

To those that will allow the text to say what it says; Lev.23:6 is most defining. It distinguishes between the 7 Days of ‘unleavened bread’ starting on the 15th and the V:5 ‘1 Day’ of Passover on the 14th. The phrase ‘at even’ is defined by Gen.1 not by Jewish lore or historical apostate usage; an example not to follow!

Gen.1:5 “ … the evening and the morning were the first day”

There are those that adamantly assert that; the Jews reckon this or that even contrary to the plain text. I would remind these ones that Yahweh is neither limited by, nor beholding to, what the Jews or anyone else (Scholar, Doctor, Pastor, Rabbi or Reverend, etc) would think or presume to teach contrary to Yahweh’s Word.

Isa.55:8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways, says
Yahweh. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher
than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.”

** This was spoken to the Israelites/Jews by an Israelite/Jew on Yahweh’s behalf.**

Now that we have that straight from the Bible; Gen.1:5 defines which ‘at even’ “in” the “14th” Lev.23:5 is talking about … the night before morning of the same Genesis day one thru seven i.e. the one that would start that 24 hr. ‘Day’ called ‘Passover’ of the Abib14th (itself not a Sabbath) The next ‘at even’ would be “in” the “15th” (In this case Abib 15th the Annual Sabbath that can fall on any day of the week of any given year)

Lev.23:11 “And he shall wave the sheaf before Yahweh, to be accepted for you: on the
morrow after the [weekly] sabbath the priest shall wave it.”

Lev.23:14 “And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the
selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your Elohim: it shall be a
statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.”

Everything is in the Bible for a reason … Now it gets interesting; the forensics of the Lev.23:14 statute says that “ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day” after the sheaf has been waved in accordance to Lev.23:11 which has to be waived “on the morrow after the Sabbath”. Jos.5:10 says, “the children of Israel … kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even”. A Genesis ‘day’ starts at ‘even’ <`ereb>, which is defined as;

06153. bre `ereb, eh’-reb … from 6150; dusk:–+ day, even(-ing, tide), night

06150. bre `arab, aw-rab’ … a primitive root (identical with 6148 through the idea of covering with a texture); to grow dusky at sundown:–be darkened, (toward) evening.

A Genesis ‘day’ starts at ‘even’ <`ereb>, therefore the Jos.5:10 “children of Israel” kept the ‘Passover’ the ‘even’/’evening’ that begins that 24hr. 14th of Abib Day of ‘Passover’. Jos.5:11 identifies that they “did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the Passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.” Lev.23:14 states that ‘eating’ cannot be done until after the wave-sheaf is waved that can only be done according to Lev.23:11 “on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.” this identifies that the ‘Passover’ of Jos.5:10 (itself not a Sabbath) in fact fell on the (normal) weekly Sabbath (14th) of that particular month, of that particular year. This tears a big hole in the ‘Lunitarian’ theory, for their 2nd Sabbath, according to them, that has ‘always’ been … is always on the 15th of every month … Remember? Further Jos.5:11 defines that the ‘Lunar’ weekly Sabbath of the 15th; in this case Abib15th (is the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread itself an Annual Sabbath) that year fell on a ‘1st Day’ that year; what most are taught to call ‘Sunday’.

Deut.19:15 “… at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall
the matter be established.”

Ezk.46:1 “Thus saith Yahweh; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east
shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and in
the day of the new moon it shall be opened.”

Notice clearly “in the day of” as in only ‘1’and not ‘2’! … 12 in a year not 18 to 24 +/- ‘New Moons … also “on the Sabbath” would include the multiples of all Weekly and Annual Sabbaths as well (Lev.23). Note; this is the lone verse that many torture to “prove” a ‘no work’ command on ‘New Moons’. In fact here is Biblical evidence to the direct 180o contrary!!! Gen.8:13, Ex.40:2; 17, Num.1:18 and Ezra 7:9, there is no such command/ment except for the 1st day of the 7th month (Lev.23:24-25)

For those that will let the text say what it says; there Biblically according to Ex.23 and Lev.23 is a set distinction; 1st of all between the Weekly Sabbaths as a <mow`ed> and the Annual Sabbaths as a <mow`ed> as Lev.23:2 as apposed to 23:4 would decisively indicate by the spoken word. YHWH Himself has set a/the/that difference … one is weekly the other is annual … one is basically solar the other is basically lunar … but neither is to the mutual exclusion of the other. To ignore or reassign that is apostasy of the highest degree (Isa.14:12-14). 2ndly YHWH Himself and through the prophets has set a similar singular distinction for the ‘New Moon’ designation; that extends even into the New Testament … and therefore beyond … Isa.66:22-23.

1Chrn.23:31 “And to offer all burnt sacrifices … in the (1) sabbaths, in the (2) new moons, and on the (3) set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them …”
(2Chrn.2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Nem.10:33; Lam.2:6; Ezk.45:17)

Col 2:16 “Let no (un-regenerated 1Cor 6:3) man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (3) holyday, or of the (2) new moon, or of the (1) sabbath days: 17 Which
are (present tense) a shadow of things to come (future tense); but the body of Messiah.

The true “Body of Messiah” (1Jn.2:3-6; Rev.14:12; 22:14) is to weigh in on these issues … the ‘family’ is to ‘judge’ (correctly assess) the ‘family’ concerning ‘family’ issues. Lunarists try to mandate a regimen that always has the ‘new moon’ after the (28th or) 29th day of the preceding month (4th ‘Sabbath’ – their ‘7th day be it Mon., Tues., Wed., etc of an particular month’) … obviously there cannot be ‘six working days’ between these days … Ever! (the last/4th Sabbath of the Lunarist’s 29th day (including the 28th day variety) of the month and the Lunarist’s ‘New Moon’). We know (in normal tho’t) that the 1st date/day of the Month is not (in most cases) the first day of the week (i.e. Julian Calendar ‘Sunday’), further that 1/1 (January 1- even Abib 1) can be on any day of the week (whether counted/called 1st, 2nd, 3rd or M, T, W, etc.) in any particular year.

Lunarists teach that there can be a 1 or 2 day ‘new moon’ that is ‘not counted’ as weekdays (monthly ‘0’ weekday ‘void’ day/s) hence the Lunarist 7th day of the week Sabbath can actually be (in luni’st) the 8th day/date of the month ergo their lun’ist 7th day count of the Sabbath from ‘New Moon’ dates is (1nm), 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th or (0, 1nm), 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th depending on which month; with ‘New Moon’ the very next day. A 2 or 3 day consecutive ‘sabbath’ in the sense of ‘rest’ i.e. the cessation of servile work ‘conjuncting’ every Sabbath end of the month with every ‘new moon’ start of the/every next month, which is plainly not in Torah or Scripture.

In any other 7 day succession [like their (Lunar) Sabbath 15th]… the preceding Sabbath was 8 days prior i.e. 15th, 14 th, 13 th, 12 th, 11 th, 10 th, 9 th, 8 th … But the Lun’ists play this game that 8 days prior to their 7th day (8th monthly date) reason takes a holiday so that 8 days prior to their (Lunar) Sabbath 7th day is a ‘0’/zero non-count day of the week … a magical … sub-extra-un-natural week that never occurs in either Testament. They say the word … use the name ‘New Moon’ as some kind of ‘end-all-wand’ to excuse this untenable message.

It is here that I will assert and expand on a decisive observation that others have made as well. Ex.16 is where the Ancient Israelite Slaves started to receive ‘daily’ manna. The caveat/proviso was that on the 6th day they were to gather the double so as to not ‘work’ on the Sabbath, directly because of/as to not transgress i.e. ‘sin’ against the Covenant/Commandment. There is no Commandment ‘New Moon’ caveat/proviso to gather the triple … 3 days worth (6th ,7th, nm) or joy of joys … the quadruple … 4 days worth (6th ,7th, nm, nm). This is the cycle they kept for 40 long years … So if you are besieged by (or considering) … ask your resident or local Lunarists; exactly when were they to gather for these extra non-workdays they espouse everyone to convert to?
(And while you’re at it, ask them to draw out their lunar Calendar with both lunar dates and days of the week paying close attention to how they end one month going into the next, especially to what they don’t show you.)

So the Ancient Israelite Slaves just quietly toughed it out and starved a couple of days every month for 40 + years and at that, during the ‘Tanakh’ prophets and writings right down to the time of Yahshua; that He and the Apostles forgot to mention? Yeah Right! The Ancient Israelites and the Slave fathers before them complained about everything else … where is the complaints about this monthly starving? Why doesn’t any body know of this monthly starving today? The Orthodox don’t accept Yahshua or the New Testament and are therefore under the same (supposed) ‘no work’ stats identical to that as the ‘freed’ Egyptian Slave fathers of Ex.16. None of us that are Torah Observant are to ‘work’ on a non-work day. On preparation, do Lunarists actually prepare the triple or more? Note; some try to say <mishneh> at Ex.16:22 can mean more than 2 (as in double portion) it overwhelmingly does not.

Which brings up this observation, Israel and Judah were continually apostatizing from and returning to being observant. Starving every month would certainly encourage its abandonment. Not reckoning time as the other nations would again certainly encourage its abandonment. Why is there no evidence of this type of lamenting ever in the entire Bible to go back to this abandoned Lunarist calendar? The later Roman occupation, before and during the time of Yahshua, would not have acquiesced to such an obtuse reckoning of calendar time, from the confusion it would cause alone … plenty for the Jews to lament over … Yahshua was all about correcting back to Torah values (Jn.7:16) but not one Old Testament or New Testament word from Him or anybody else about lamenting over any aspect of ‘new moons’ abandon or broken lunist calendar. Why? … Just an oversight? Openly this lun’ist calendar, in the way the ‘Lunarists’ tell it is a ‘vain imagination’ … it is a ‘fable’ (Titus 1:14) that is no where to be found in the record, when fully accounted for, though wrenched, contrived and adamantly attested to, it is just simply not there; actually being fashioned from the Babylonians1. Many things were lost and added by this captivity, including the pagan fertility names of the lunar moonths.

Lastly; from your New Testament there is a ‘coupe de gras’/ ‘slam dunk’ refute of both 28 day and 29 day ‘Lunar Sabbath’ varieties. John 7:37 identifies Yahshua at the ‘last great day’ (an Annual Sabbath) attached to the Feast of <Sukkot> Tabernacles (Lev.23:39 see <ak> “also”). This ‘day’ from Torah is the 22nd day of the 7th month i.e. the ‘8th day (i.e. ‘last great day’) attached to the 7 day ‘feast’ that started on the 15th (Lev.23:34-39) itself also an Annual Sabbath. John’s account identifies the end of this ‘last great day’ at v:53. John then picks up in the next day starting at John 8:2; this is the same day that Yahshua healed a blind man (John 9:6-7). This ‘same day’ the Sabbath (v:16) after the ‘last great day’ (the 22nd)2 is now the orthodox lunar 23rd and is identified at John 9:14 as the weekly 7th Day Sabbath. This summarily/effectively eliminates the reoccurring monthly 21st and 22nd ‘Sabbath’ cycle claim respectively of both the 28 day and the 29 day moonth Lunar proponents. We must also realize that this “one with {the all knowing} Father” (John 1:1; 10:30); ‘eternal’ Yahshua (Jn.8:58) knew that this ‘johnny-come-lately’ wind of doctrine would appear and would have to be dealt with.

Finally; beyond being more than irrefutable … Here is a proof that involves the words of Yahshua the Messiah Himself and the events surrounding His crucifixion. Yahshua Messiah did say;

Mt.12:40 “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the
Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

It is the hermeneutics of Hebrew (having no modern punctuation) that when an issue is restated it is being stressed; similar in use to our exclamation mark. It is apparent that Messiah was crucified on Passover; on the 14th day of the lunar month of ‘Abib’. His body had to be taken down and entombed before the Sabbath … this particular Sabbath was an “High Day” (John 19:31); meaning it was not the weekly Sabbath; it was the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; an Annual Sabbath (Lev.23:6-8). Note being ‘Annual’ in normal thought and application can fall on any ‘day’ of the week of a given year. Rejecting the ‘Catholic Easter Story’ that can not produce “three days and three nights”; most (if not all) Messianic agree that this Passover and crucifixion was on a ‘4th Day’ (i.e. Wed.), with the next day ‘High Day Sabbath’ Yahshua being in the tomb before this ‘5th Day’ (i.e. Thurs.). The Gen. ‘even to even’ “day” would dictate Yahshua’s body down from the ‘cross/stake’, in the garden tomb on the tail end of that ‘4th Day’ Abib 14th (i.e. Wed.), just before the ‘5th Day’ Gen. night before day Abib 15th (The first day of Unleavened Bread i.e. Thurs.).

This reckoning insures a late ‘7th day’ (i.e. late Sat. evening) “three days and three nights” resurrection; as it came to the ‘1st day’ or the dawning of the week. This chronology necessitates that this resurrection on this weekly ‘7th day’ (i.e. Sat.) ‘Sabbath’ was at the close of/on Abib 17th. To appeal to any other reckoning is to violate Messiah’s own words and parameters of “three days and three nights” going back to the “Sun Rise” ‘Catholic Easter Story’ (now Luniarist story) of two partial Days, one full Day and two Nights – Where’s the third Night (or even part of a third night)? Can we intelligently just discard or reassign the pieces that don’t fit?

Some try to use Lk 24:21 to wrench a ‘Easter Story (Luniar Story) platform.

“Lk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.”

These guys were Jews as was Yahshua who was speaking to them. They observed Torah – They observed the Gen. night before day reckoning. That means there would have to be 3 nights preceding this 3rd day – Where is it?

Those that instruct on wilderness survival training teach that there are two reasons why people get and stay lost – 1] No remember awareness & 2] Disregard those things that would indicate direction – it is the same with Bible. So is it wise to just disregard this third night issue? Simple just ignore or throw out the factors that don’t fit the story?

Again this proof of this particular weekly Sabbath on the 17th of any month (especially this month) shreds the untenable claims of both brands of ‘Lunarists’; respectively ‘always’ producing their 2nd weekly Sabbath of the moonth to be on the 14th … the 15th respectively. Even if you chose to reckon a Sunday morning resurrection this would then be the 18th of Abib “three days and three nights” still producing this Sabbath on the 17th. Similarly; if you chose a ‘5th Day’ (i.e. Thurs.) Passover/Crucifixion as the 14th it would still produce this weekly Sabbath on the 16th still revealing the ‘Lunarists’ error in ‘class action’ across the board.

Further; John 19:31 reveals it an impossibility for Yahshua to have been crucified ‘on’ the Sabbath. This alone eliminates the 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th ‘Lunarists’ claim, for his body had to be taken down ‘before’ the Sabbath any Sabbath. Similarly; the claims of the 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th ‘Lunarists’ variety evaporates upon the realization that the 15th of Abib is always the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; an Annual Sabbath (Lev.23:6-8) this would leave no choice but to agree that this day after the crucifixion was this said same ‘High Day Sabbath’ of John 19:31 producing the weekly Sabbath on a day outside the confines of their own ‘handy-dandy’ ‘precisely calculated’ ‘can be no other way’ parameters. Either this or they will have to violate the only ‘sign’ that Yahshua ‘stressed’ to ever give to this ‘perverse’ generation (Mt 12:39-40). Actually this verse says “evil and adulterous” which these ‘Lunarists’ own every inch of; breaching the Covenant 7th Day Sabbath ‘bond sign’ (Ex.31:13) and the Annual Appointed Times; evangelizing this schizophrenic lunastry vandalizing the Torah instruction, the Torah and semi-Torah observant or those unstudied/uninitiated duping the lot to believe this convoluted, untenable, merit-less, asinine, catawampus, blatantly obvious obtuse reckoning of the ‘Lunars’.

Pardon the personal observation; I’m sorry but clearly this ‘Lunar’ giant wears a size #3 hat.

To those that champion or would consider enacting this Lunar Sabbath error; I directly Exhort and Implore you to return to the Sabbaths of the Covenant. Until you do; by scripture I have but one choice. I now wash my hands of your sin (Mk.6:11), your blood (Ezk.33:6) and your awaiting judgment (Heb.10:29).

Let Yahweh’s Word be true and every man a liar. (Rom.3:4)

I would very much prefer that all things dealt with and conveyed could be pleasant and of good report, of agreement and love, but the reality is we are not there yet … divisive doctrines (like this) will not let us be there yet … we are in a spiritual battle; with salvation on the line; there are, will and will continue to be captives. Do not get in that line. The closer you get to and seek to enact the truth the more fierce the battle becomes. The shifting winds of doctrines are becoming more prolific, diverse and fierce directly because of the loss, ignoring, reassigning, twisting, the willful release/relinquishing of foundational information as we draw closer to the end of the age. The One we are to know very much cares what we know … that we even care to know and what we do with what we know. He has given us His Truth to know what is not true … this too is the love of Yah.

Consider these quotes from other sources;

Vayiqra / Leviticus 23:9-11
9 Yehovah spoke to Moshe, saying: 10 Speak to the Israelite people and say to
them: When you enter the land that I am giving to you and you reap its harvest, you
shall bring the first sheaf (omer) of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall elevate the
sheaf (ha’omer) before Yehovah for acceptance in your behalf; the priest shall elevate
it on the day after the Sabbath.

Joshua would have done this with the sons of Yirael. If the 15th was the shabbat then
they would have violated the command of offering the Omer offering on the morrow of
the Shabbat. The 15 day as the morrow of the Shabbat, which shows us also that, the
lunar Shabbat can’t possibly fit this story. This would also be the first day of the

So Elohim rested on the seventh day. After the moon was created on the fourth day,
and made its first appearance he did not count rest on the 7th days later not counting its
appearance. He rested three days later. Later he tells them this is also the shabbat day.

We see here that the controversy was not with whether the new moon was the
beginning of the week but was instead the full moon as Shabattum. All scholars agree
that the seventh day Shabbat was Jewish in origin. So where does this leave the issue
of lunar sabbaths. It leaves them without a position that somehow in ancient times the
Jewish Shabbat was linked to the new moon.…/The_Lunar_Shabbat_Calendar_Issues.pdf

Ezra 7:9 (NKJV) On the first day of the first month he began his journey from
Babylon, and on the first day of the fifth month he came to Jerusalem, according to
the good hand of his Elohim upon him.

Ezra was a lawgiver he was a priest who understood the Torah very well and how much he could walk. Note he traveled on the New moon day so beware that you do not come into deceit to think that every new moon is special, the reality is its not.

All of Judaism agrees that the Torah was given on Mount Sinay on a Sabbath. They also
agree that this Sabbath was on the 6th of Sivan. Where is the Lunar Sabbath in this? Nowhere to be seen. There is a debate in Orthodox Judaism whether it was the 6th of Sivan or 7th of Sivan but there is never a debate that it was the 8th of Sivan which rules out Lunar Sabbath at the time of Moses even.

The children of Y’sra’el left Egypt on the 15th of Nissan and all of Judaism is agreed that this day was a Thursday there is no argument about it. This once again negates lunar Sabbath because if it was a Lunar Sabbath being the 15th then why would YHWH have them travel. They travelled at least for four hours before they reached Succoth to bake unleavened bread chappati type cakes.

Exodus 12:39 – They get to Succoth and bake bread. Notice this is
supposedly a lunar Sabbath according to the lunar belief but the children are
lighting fire and baking bread. How ridiculous.

Shemoth (Exo) 16:1 And they journeyed from Elim, and all the congregation
of the children of Y’sra’el came to the wilderness of Transgression, which is
between Elim and SiniYah (Sinai), on the fifteenth day of the second month
after they departed from the land of Mitzrayim (Egypt).

The proof is in Gen 2:3 where it says V’Barak ET Yom Elohim HaShabue Ve’Kadosh Ato Ki Bo Shabbath meaning Elohim increased the 7th Day Therefore it was made (holy) Kadosh as The Sabbath had come.

If we recall the Moon was brought out on Day 4 though it was created earlier on Day 1 but yet hidden. There is no way you are going to do a count from Day 1 to Day 6 with no moon showing up until Day 4. So the lunar Sabbath count will have to begin
on Day 4 but I know a lot of Lunar guys try to do the trick of hand by saying well it was a darkened moon on Day 1 so they somehow magically can make the count and still arrive at Day 7. Clearly Adam was not around to do that but was told when Day 7
is otherwise he wouldn’t know.

Consider these among other sites

On—and this is just one example of many—we read that these days are the worshipping days of the ancient Babylonian and Sumerian moon cult:

Even the Karaite Jews, who take the Bible very seriously and calculate their feast days as described on (which I recommend for you to study) do not keep a moon based Sabbath, but the normal Seventh-day Sabbath of the Creator.

I plead with you; for if you refuse to love the truth … you will believe the lie (2Thss.2:10-11

Yahweh’s Esteem … David L. Perry Th.D. …

We Have Been Called

We Have Been Called

We that believe Have Been Called to;

Repentance, from Sin, to Accept Salvation, to walk in faith/fidelity and not by sight (2Cor.5:7; Heb 11:1) – in the Name of Yahshua, who said “Jn.8:11 … go and sin no more”. He also said “Jn.7:16 … My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.” Which involves Yahweh; who said “Ex 20:8 Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it (Set-Apart).”, punctuated at Acts 15:19-21 “… For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day”; the clearest NT/NC directive that the NT/NC believers in Yahshua are to be following Torah (the 1st 5 books of Moses).

Which involves many awarenesses that must be ‘Rightly Divided’ that we are also directed to do (Acts 17:11/2Tim.2:15). As great of a start as this is; it is after all only a start – it is not enough to want to obey; we must also determine ‘what’ to obey, which involves ‘how’ to do that – that involves knowing what obedience is AND what obedience is Not. Knowing that unstudied blind adherence is Not studied knowledgeable, mindful obedience.

We that believe Have Been Called to; Be on that straight & narrow path (Mt.7:13-23) neither turning to the right or to the left (Dt.5:32), to Seek 1st the Kingdom of Yahweh (the King/Melek) & His Righteousness (Zedeq – Mt.6:33), to be priests in His ‘Royal’ (Kingly) Melkizedeq Priesthood (1Ptr.2:9/Rev.5:10), to be Set-Apart as He is Set-Apart (1Ptr.1:16/Lev. 20:7), to enact and carry out the Great Commission (Mt.28:19; Mk.16:15/Ezk.3:17-21); To uphold the 10 Com’dts and the Appt’d Times (Feasts – Ex.24:3/Lev.23) of the Covenant as Yahshua did (1Jn.2:3-6).

We that believe Have Been Called to; The Faith of Abraham (Rom.4:12;16); Who kept Father YHWH’s Melkizedeq Com’dts and Laws (Gen.18:19; 26:5), before the Levitical Priesthood ever came into existence (Heb.7:11/Ezk.20:24-25) because of Melkizedeq Covenant disobedience (Ex.32:10/Num.3:12).

We that believe Have Been Called to; that light burden and that easy yoke (Mt.11:30), to set a difference between the Pure and the Profane, the Clean and the Unclean, to walk that straight & narrow path, to seek the ancient ways (Jer.6:16), to keep the Sabbaths as a sign between YHWH and His people (Ex.31:13).

We that believe Have Been Called to; put on the mind of Yahshua following His instructions & examples. To honor Him as Saviour, Redeemer & the Melkizedeq High Priest just as YHWH the Father has Honored Him (Ps.110:1-4/Heb.7:21) to follow in His Melkizedeq Priesthood (1Ptr.2:9/Rev.5:10).

Covenant 1st Born Trade

Covenant 1st Born Trade

If we are Covenant aware at all; we tend to focus on the trading of the actual 1st Born – Isaac & Yahshua – but we tend to overlook how they got here to be that 1st Born – Sarah & Mary. Sarah was barren till she was 90+yrs. Old; Mary had never ‘known’ a man – Both were Miraculous conceptions let alone birth.

There are plenty of detractors Jewish & Non-Jewish, Atheists & Anti-Missionaries, Un-Believers & Turn Coats (use to be Believers) that want to throw a disparaging light on the Birth of Yahshua. They lay the charge of ‘Adultery’ or ‘Fornication’ at YHWH no less for using Mary as His vessel to conceive & give birth to His 1st Born & Only Son Yahshua.

They forget (assuming that they ever knew) about the Covenant of Gen.15

Gen.22:2 And He said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

YHWH did not just pull this from the air – He had the Gen.15 Covenant Legal right to do so. “hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:” “because thou hast obeyed my voice” has to do 1st with Gen.12 and with the trade of personal items required by the Gen.15 Promise Guarantee Covenant; which involved a ‘Death Position’ making this; what is popularly taught ‘Un-Conditional’ Covenant; ‘Conditional’!!! – the trade included the Melkizedeq Mantel (From the Melek/King YHWH), Name, Scars, Family AND Firstborn, etc. – Which extends further Covenant implications concerning Mary/Miriam surrounding the birth of Yahshua in answer to both the Prophesy of Gen.12 & the Gen.15 Covenant.

Gen.15 is the origination point of these exchanges; entering into this Covenant gave the Covenant ‘legal’ right (to both) that demanded the Covenant obligation (from both).

Different presenters assert the ‘Covenant of the Pieces’ which tells how the Gen.15 Promise Guarantee Covenant required the exchange/trade of personal items; as significant as the **Name** exchange is there are factors that are of even more significance namely the bestowing of the Melkizedeq Mantel, the exchange of Scars – Circumcision is gonna leave a mark so will Crucifixion – and the supreme exchange of the Firstborn – Abr’ah’am was to offer Isaac (which he did; Gen.22); YHWH did offer Yahshua by that same Scar leaving Crucifixion (which he did; Lk.22).

The point is – Yahweh had the Covenant ‘legal’ right (from Gen.15) for 1/a Miraculous conception & birth from a daughter descendant of Abr’ah’am whose name in this case was Mary/Miriam.


I have found

I have found

Prv.27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

I have found this is also true concerning adversaries – I have been sharpened even by those who will not be friends, have remained adversaries and will not accept or be changed by the Truth including Biblical Truth.

The truth is; I have learned the most and best pieces I’ve needed to have thru what I have come to call ‘Hostile Exchange’

‘Hostile Exchange’ seems at various points to find the one/s that stand for truth – Small wonder for; in a sea of ½ truths, errors & lies – Truth is Treason.

I do not look for Biblical hostile exchange but neither will I ignore it or back down from it – I am certain there is more for me to learn & accept of Yah’s Truth – I will defend the truth that the Bible supports – I also will assist those wanting answers to honest questions. But then there are those whos only interest in posing theory couched in question is to further their own calcified agenda.

Tho it is much more rare – it is wonderful & blessed to actually make a friend thru what started as a ‘Hostile Exchange’ or ‘Heated Midrash’

I can force no one to be Biblical or Biblically Honest
Please feel free to search TWR 1st;
Text Box ‘Search’

Then ask any question you seek – But be ready to be Honest – Acts 17:11

friend? My biblical friends – Yahshua’s biblical friends search for and prize love in biblical Truth. 1Jn.2:3-6

Have I found a friend? You decide. – I’m open.

Derek’s (KC) Opposition

Derek’s (KC) Opposition

++Derek Limbaugh

++I (Derek Limbaugh) have quite a few questions and sticking points with this, will you please do your best to answer these:

**We will deal with theses your now 8 questions 1 at a time 1 day at a time until that question has played out only then moving on to the next question or until you say next – unless your intention is to overwhelm in a ‘bum rush’ litiney dump of which I am not interested.

(it has been 5 days with no response to my post concerning the content of my post in response to your questions – I now will make it easy on you and end this and will post my findings – 4/14)

++1) what is the deal with eternal vs. everlasting…the word used in Hebrews 13 can be used for either?

**This question is quite frivolous as well as incomplete – along with your loaded opening condescending statement “please do your best to answer these” does set a certain tone as Matthew said concerning ‘Elevation and Denigration’ aggrandizing yourself that I do not appreciate; however

It is self-apparent that we are to seek truth – We need to understand the terms used and what they mean. Matthew was correct – Eternal means No beginning with No end – Everlasting has a beginning with No end. ‘Forever’ taken to include Eternal actually from our obvious human perspective can only most correctly mean Everlasting. The Hebrew ‘Olam’ asserted to wrench an Eternal incontestable ‘gotcha’ commanding position while including the idea of Eternal & Everlasting can also include the 1st place priority definition ‘concealed to a point out of mind’ which suggests an unperceived ending point.

05769. Mlwe `owlam, o-lawm’ or lolam {o-lawm’}; from 5956; properly, *concealed*, i.e. *the vanishing point*; generally, time *out of mind* (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always:–alway(-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, (n-))ever(-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare 5331, 5703.

We must also realize that English or even Greek has no in a word/concept to capture olam’s alternate definition of ‘concealed to a point out of mind’

So it is apparent that the all intelligent Yahweh did not ‘box’ Himself in – He has and always had ‘options'; Hence Gen.49:10 and others. To demand ‘Olam’ only or always mean ‘forever’ is just plain ignorant.

++2) Was the first set of stone tablets part of the levitical law (book of the law)

**Short answer No; now here is the longer reason why. Because of your KC/BEC leaning I now have to split hairs and reiterate that what became the Levitical Book of the Law is the Law that Gal.3:10 ID’s at Gal.3:17 as coming in the same time proximity as the Melkizedeq Book of the Covenant – Both were after the Promise (Gen.15) by 400+yrs – Both ID’d at Ex.24. If you look closely the 2nd set of stone tablets are not even part of the levitical law (book of the law) either – Ex 34:1 ‘the words that were in the first tables’ ID’s Ex.24 that’s why they could placed ‘in’ the Ark of the??? (complete Ex.24:3) ‘Covenant’ and not outside it (Dt.31:26) as the Levitical Book of the Law was; that was later ‘added’ to (Gal.3:15) by Joshua (Jos.24:26).

To more fully explain – “The setting of the Exodus Book of the Covenant (Ex.19:5-24:8) was the last time Moses ever saw a Melchizedek Israel keeping the Melchizedek Covenant (Yahweh’s Plan ‘A’). For after promising to keep the Covenant – Moses goes up the Mountain – 40 days later Israel makes the Golden Calf (Ex.32); breaks the Covenant, defiles themselves and is no longer eligible to be that ‘Firstborn’ Melchizedek Priesthood (including Aaron and his sons).

We must understand that when Moses broke the Stone Tablets Ex 32:19 (the achronological narrative of Moses’ Mt. Descent); that is the point when the Covenant was demonstrated as broken. Ex.32:1-10 (the achronological narrative of what Aaron & the people did) is the point when ALL Israel (including Aaron & Sons) were judged to receive complete and utter annihilation thus loosing not only their lives but their Melkizedeq standing for breaking the (total) Covenant as well, not just the 10 Com’dts Ex24:3. Judgment by sword Ex 22:24 is by Covenant, not just the 10 Com’dts! This Judgment of a broken Covenant went back to the point of 1st acceptance Ex.19.5-8. Back to the point of the Covenant origin that cannot be altered Gal.3:15 – also Back past the point (law of 1st mention) of a Not Ratified ‘added’ Gal.3:10;19 ‘law’ Ex24:12 outside of Covenant Gal.3:17-18 that could be altered. The Ex24:12 conception point of Law that was now under the Levitical Priesthood Heb.7:11.

So – Moses started up Mt. Sinai with a Melchizedek intent -but- came down to a Levitical Plan ‘B’ reality (Num.3:12). This ineligibility reigned for the next 15 centuries in the form of the Levitical Priesthood (and the category of Levitical Law Heb.7:11-15) till Yahshua’s death and resurrection, – releasing Him (Rom.7:1/Gal.4:4) from the Levitical law of Torah that no-one but a Levite could be Priest (and other issues as well) to be – the Melchizedek High Priest (Heb.2:17; 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5, 10; 6:20; 7:26; 8:1; 9:11; 10:21). See the book – Back to the Melchizedek Future”

See –

++3) Was the levitical law (BOL) imposed at when Moses brought down the stone tablets from the Mountain

** No – See 2
++4) In Hebrews 6 it says that YHWH swore by himself…and then quotes the scripture from Gen 22…Now I know you say the law of first mention but nowhere does it say in Gen 12 that YHWH swears by himself…only in Gen 22…so based on the context it seems as if Hebrews is referring to Gen 22 not Gen 12

**@ I know you say the law of first mention but nowhere does it say in Gen 12 that YHWH swears by himself…

But – That is of course what YHWH does/demonstrates at Gen.12

The context of the plain to see evidence Prv.25:2 proves Hebrews 6:13-14 speaking of Gen.12:1-3 – Gen.12:1-3 is the 1st place mention that YHWH ever spoke to Abr’ah’am. There is No Gen.15, Gen.17, Gen.18, or Gen.22 without Gen.12 first.

Heb 6:14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

Is the virtual exact match to

Gen.12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Gen.12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Regardless of the verbiage similarities

Gen.22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith YHWH, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
Gen.22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Gen.22:2 And He said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

YHWH did not just pull this from the air – He had the Gen.15 Covenant Legal right to do so

“hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:” “because thou hast obeyed my voice” has to do 1st with Gen.12 and with the trade of personal items required by the Gen.15 Promise Guarantee Covenant – Melkizedeq Mantel (From the Melek/King YHWH), Name, Scars, Family AND Firstborn, etc. – Which extends further Covenant implications concerning Mary/Miriam surrounding the birth of Yahshua in answer to both Prophesy of Gen.12 & the Gen.15 Covenant .

Gen.21:2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which Yah had spoken to him. –

In direct answer to

Gen.15:4 And, behold, the word of YHWH came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir –

in direct answer to

Gen.12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Gen.18 is about the Covenant confirming meal required by the Gen.15 Promise Guarantee Covenant

To remind you; the Gen.15 (v:8) Promise Guarantee Covenant & ‘Death Position’ was to Guarantee the already given Gen.12 Promise – Promised by YHWH by ‘Oath’ with NO ‘Death Position’

Therefore Gen.22 is a reaffirmation previously made at Gen.15 but most originally at Gen.12
++5) Matthew says Abrahams name change happened in Gen 15 (and he goes on to describe how this is an important part in the covenant…this is wrong…it happened in Gen 17…in which he says is not a covenant.

** From Answer 2 – Gen.22:2 And He said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

YHWH did not just pull this from the air – He had the Gen.15 Covenant Legal right to do so

“hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:” “because thou hast obeyed my voice” has to do 1st with Gen.12 and with the trade of personal items required by the Gen.15 Promise Guarantee Covenant – Melkizedeq Mantel (From the Melek/King YHWH), **Name**, Scars, Family AND Firstborn, etc. – Which extends further Covenant implications concerning Mary/Miriam surrounding the birth of Yahshua in answer to both Prophesy of Gen.12 & the Gen.15 Covenant.

Gen.15 is the origination point of these exchanges; entering both gave the Covenant right that demanded the Covenant obligation.

Even Rico Cortes in his ‘Covenant of the Pieces’ tells how the Gen.15 Promise Guarantee Covenant required the exchange/trade of personal items; as significant as the **Name** exchange is there are factors that are of even more significance namely the bestowing of the Melkizedeq Mantel, the exchange of Scars – Circumcision is gonna leave a mark so will Crucifixion – and the supreme exchange of the Firstborn – Abr’ah’am was to offer Isaac; YHWH did offer Yahshua by that same Scar leaving Crucifixion.
++6) Matthew says the covenant with Noah, Adam, Law of Moses, etc did not happen because they did not agree to it (ex such as how could the animals agree to the covenant)…but then goes on to quote the fact that YHWH broke the covenant He made with the Night and the Day…How could the Night and the Day accept YHWH’s Covenant if what Matthew says is true?

**You are twisting your jump to conclusion couched in your assertion – Matthew did Not say that the oration decree with Noah, Adam, Law of Moses, etc. did not happen. Just that to say covenant implies the minimum of proposal & agreement which is not there. You also conveniently gloss over ‘covenant’ in the word ‘brit’ <B@riyth> to only and always mean covenant

covenant, alliance, pledge, compact, confederacy, treaty, league, constitution, ordinance, agreement, pledge, bond, to bind, pact, promise, pledge (supporting the idea of ‘oath’)…

The obvious is that concerning the Night and the Day this is another of YHWH’s ‘Oath’/s that is an autonomous (self) Covenant.

++7) He says that the covenant confirming meal never takes place before the bloodshed, therefore the meal with Shem (Melchizedek) could not have been the covenant confirming meal with Abraham in Gen 14…however that is a Major problem because Yeshua’s covenant confirming meal took place Before His bloodshed occurred.

**You Again are twisting your jump to conclusion couched in your assertion – Matthew did Not say that the @ “meal with Shem (Melchizedek) could not have been the covenant confirming meal with Abraham in Gen 14”

1st off Gen 14 is Not a covenant in a covenant ratifiying setting

2nd – Matthew did say that the @ “meal with Shem (Melchizedek) could NOT have been the covenant confirming meal with Abraham in connection with Gen **15**

3rd You say @ “a Major problem because Yeshua’s covenant confirming meal took place Before His bloodshed occurred.”

Not so – Lk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of YHWH shall come. 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the **new testament/(covenant) in my blood**, which is shed for you.

We must understand that Yahshua instituted this substitute for His death (bloodshed) that ratifies the New Covenant DURING the / in Connection with His last Passover ‘covenant confirming’ meal – Pointing to/Foreshadowing His actual bloodshed.

++8) Also, how is using the word ‘Restoration Covenant’ controlling and part of the New World Order? I mean isn’t YHWH’s plan to restore us back to the garden? And He’s done this via covenants (and continuing to do it). That statement seemed to be out of line.

** the New World Order is after all the reinterpretation and remix of established values with those not seen before – Hence ‘ New’

In the same way – We must weight all extra biblical jargon that vies finding its way into accepted mainstream understanding – The term ‘Restoration Covenant’ is suspect from the start not being a biblical phrase. The term ‘Restoration’ in this context has the direct sense of re-biulding/re-making this very same Covenant which closely associates to ‘ReNewed’ which is strictly also Not so –

Exert from (Kirk Carmichael’s) Threat in Love

267++(Quote KC) … Neos is the second most common word for new in the New Testament, occurring in its root form over 20 times. Thayer identifies its primary meaning as “recently born, young, youthful,” Neos . has the sense of belonging to the present moment, and not previously existent, just now appearing. So what is difference? Both the Hebrew chadash (Jer. 31:31) and the Greek kainos (Heb. 8:8) words for “new” may be more properly translated “renewed” as opposed to “brand-new”.

**(My answer) What? Are you High? In your own schizophrenic imagination!!! – See you yourself … freely state – 2537 kainós – **properly, new** in quality, **fresh in development or opportunity** – **”not found exactly like this before.”** – STRONGS NT 2537 – as respects form; **recently made,** **fresh**, **recent**, **unused**, **unworn** and *+*new*+*, **which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds**: – Thayer identifies its primary meaning as **“recently born**, **young, youthful,**” Neos . has the sense of belonging to the **present moment,** and not **previously existent**, **just now appearing**. – All these words example “not previously existent, just now appearing” as in “brand-new” and NOT “renewed” which agrees with ‘not like’ of Jer.31:32 “Chadash and therefore Kainos may mean new in quality. It can mean to renew or repair.” Thankyou for that limp wristed attempt at honesty. Chadash does Not only or always means ‘renew’ it most correctly means as is evidenced by your definitions ‘New’ as in “brand-new”…

PS – It has occurred to me that the Kirk Carmichael / BCE premise and those taken in by it have another glaring loop in logic absurdity to contented with and answer for. If as Kirk Carmichael incorrectly says that ‘The Book of the Law’ does Not start at Ex.24:12 as Gal.3:17 substantiates and is only Deuteronomy and that the ‘Law of Moses’ is Ex.34 to Num.36:13. He and His Group including Amy and You must answer this insurmountable observation – Ex.34:1 says

Ex 34:1 And the YHWH said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and **I (YHWH) will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables**, which thou brakest.

The ‘first tables’ were the hard copy of what had been ‘Blood Ratified’ (Ex.24:7-8); beginning at Ex.19:5-8 confirmed by Ex.24:3, Covenant Meal confirmed at Ex.24:9-11. Meaning that these replacement tables replacing the first tables of the ‘Blood Ratified’ Covenant were the ‘tables’ that were place ‘in’ the Ark – The Ark of the …??? ‘Ten Com’dts’?; ‘Law of Moses’?; of Deuteronomy? Or the obvious the entire Ex.24:3 “Covenant”? Showing that these 2nd replacement tables replacing the first tables are attached to the ‘Blood Ratified’ Book of the Covenant (Ex.19:5-24:8-11).

Since; the replacement tables replacing the first tables of the ‘Blood Ratified’ Covenant were the ‘tables’ that were place ‘in’ the Ark -AND- the alleged (KC) ‘The Book of the Law’/ Deuteronomy only (Covenant???) was placed ‘by’ the Ark (Dt.31:26) – Where is your ‘Law of Moses’? If it is as you say something different not inclusive of ‘The Book of the Law’ starting at Ex.24:12 confirmed by Gal.3:10 & :17 -AND- If ‘The Book of the Law’/ Deuteronomy only was a (Covenant???) – Why is it then Added to by Joshua at Jos.24:26 in Covenant violation of Gal.3:15?

Your (& KC’s) ‘The Book of the Law’/ Deuteronomy only premise is ruptured and blown at both ends! And is also proved Not to be that “Covenant” you imagine; but a Not ‘Blood (or any other mode) Ratified'; Not Proposed; Not Agree to “Covenant” at all BUT; a – decreed alliance, pledge, pact, ‘compact’, etc. and all that together; let alone your ‘Law of Moses’ premise that has no-Ark-where/place to go. Unless the designation ‘Law of Moses’ is part&parcel of the entire ‘Book of the Law’ retro starting at Ex.24:12 confirmed by Gal.3:10 & *:17* – Added to by Joshua at Jos.24:26. Which more completely captures the whole of evidence relayed to us by the Bible.